Do not buy something through paypal as a gift...

[GunnyGlow]

WARNING
Just FYI....b/c I see alot of people here asking to be paid via the Paypal "gift" option.

Why would you pay for something and mark it as "Gift"?? Well, most times the seller will ask you to do this. It saves him/her from having to pay the paypal fee.

Why should you NOT pay as a "gift"?? B/C as a buyer you have NO protection from a scam. So..they could send you a box of rocks or nothing at all and paypal won't give a rip. You marked it as a gift...remember??
/WARNING


RANT
It's kind of annoying when cheapskates ask you to pay their fee, too. Which is why the gift thing is popular. Pay the frickin couple of dollars for paypals fee if you're selling something. And don't ask for that crap(the fee) in your for sale ad. If you want $100 for your toy and $3 to cover the fee....then ask for $103!!! Why in the HELL would I pay YOUR fee??
/RANT

[Skint Eastwood]

Most people just add the expected fee to the postage costs!

[MTDV]

Originally Posted by GunnyGlow

Why should you NOT pay as a "gift"?? B/C as a buyer you have NO protection from a scam. So..they could send you a box of rocks or nothing at all and paypal won't give a rip. You marked it as a gift...remember??

Unless your seller does not send anything to you, but if he sent you something that is "not as described" item, Paypal will not protect you either unless your purchased item coming from Ebay. I've been there, and here it is http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1103950

[imq707s]

Also...for those of you who add an extra fee to your item to cover the PayPal fee....if someone reports to paypal that you tried to charge them extra to cover YOUR fee...PayPal will drop you in a heartbeat.

[ginnz]

yeh, this whole paypal thing is outta hand. i dont mind paying them a couple bucks fee for anything. it really doesnt make,nor break the bank!

[mundo330]

Paypal is a service, you offer a product or service and you get paid. You want to get your money safely and quickly and paypal offers that. You can take Credit cards through Paypal, a convenience. This is a service and paypal deserves to get paid for it. I hate those that take advantage of this and try to get away without paying. I agree that if you need more to cover YOUR expenses raise your bottom line! Paypal is a cost of doing business!
Doug S

[Bob O]

I've always followed the PP rules and never had a problem. Whenever I sell something, I always send a PP invoice to the buyer, but that's just me.

[shaggybirdman]

Originally Posted by GunnyGlow

RANT
It's kind of annoying when cheapskates ask you to pay their fee, too. Which is why the gift thing is popular. Pay the frickin couple of dollars for paypals fee if you're selling something. And don't ask for that crap(the fee) in your for sale ad. If you want $100 for your toy and $3 to cover the fee....then ask for $103!!! Why in the HELL would I pay YOUR fee??
/RANT

in your above rant. if you pay $103 you did just pay there fee.

[GunnyGlow]

Originally Posted by shaggybirdman

in your above rant. if you pay $103 you did just pay there fee.

Their??


You should maybe read it again........I think you misunderstood why I, as a buyer, would be paying the $103. If you ask for $103 and I agree to it...well, there isn't a problem. You get $100...paypal gets their cut....and I get my merchandise. Yay happy good times.....

The fees are charged to the seller. Not the buyer.
As a buyer, why would I want to pay the sellers fees??

[shaggybirdman]

i understand, and agree that the buyer should not pay his fee, BUT you said you have no problem paying $103 over the $100 plus his fee of $3. granted it's different when he says $100 plus $3 fees vs just $103 shipped. no matter how ya look at it the buyer is always paying the fees no matter what the end price is, and no matter how the seller prices his item. that is unless the seller says plus pay pal fees.

my objection to paying as a gift is you just gave up all protection on your cash threw pay pal. i'd bet it's way more work trying to get your money back threw your credit card company.

[ChasHeliCop]

FROM PAYPAL VIOLATION
4. Receiving Money.

4.1 Receiving Personal Payments.

If you are selling goods or services, you may not ask the buyer to send you a Personal Payment for the purchase. If you do so, PayPal may remove your ability to accept Personal Payments.


4.5 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.

[shaggybirdman]

that's all well and good for evil bay item, but we are talking about buying something here. i don't think we should pay for there fees.

[Rob_acdgsdetc]

on a notsounrelated note. It's a good idea to mail your package to the address that is given by the paypal payer. And make sure your buyer knows that's where it's going. Sometimes people without paypal accounts get a friend to pay and then pay the friend. But if you send it to an address different than the one on pay pal, the payer can simply dispute never getting the package 'cause ya mailed it to the "wrong" address.

[Nito]

i would say, dont use paypal at all, they are a complete mess, and do not sort under any financial laws at all and can do as they please, they owed me about $2000 for 4 months without NO reason, before i got it back it NO legitime explanation of why the withdrown it from me.
-and if they only withdrown it from me, it would be, not ok but still ok, but they took the money from the people i have been dealing with!!
-so if you got money from a person and they for what ever reason deside to reverse that payment, YOU are stucked with a negative balance on your account for money you can have got to your account LONG time ago.
im no longer Paypal verfied, im Paypal TERRIFIED!
i have learned that a majority of the ppl. acting on PP is American and i have learned that you have a very antique bank system compared to Europe, but i hope you get it like us ASAP, i can transfer money to a seller from my bank, and the recipient will have inte in 1 sek. free of charge.

[Fetish636]

I very new to HF and i am buying a blade from another member i was wondering about a good trader or something along that line i see a bad member and scammer aera but nothing for good people, Or i haven't run across it at this point! I am new AND honest trader just trying to get something posted on the site! Thanks Much Mark, Blaine MN

[GunnyGlow]

Originally Posted by Fetish636

I very new to HF and i am buying a blade from another member i was wondering about a good trader or something along that line i see a bad member and scammer aera but nothing for good people, Or i haven't run across it at this point! I am new AND honest trader just trying to get something posted on the site! Thanks Much Mark, Blaine MN

HF just recently introduced a trader rating system similar to alot of other sites. It is located in each members "public profile". Just click on their username and the first tab is the feedback score tab.

"ratings" are great and all....but it's always a good idea to research someones posts and 'history' not only here, at HF, but elsewhere. RCG....RCU....RR....etc etc Thats usually the best way to get a feel for who you're dealing with.

Anyways..welcome to HF!

[Fetish636]

Ok thank you very much!!

[jondabear]

Simple equation to this . for me......I ask for what I NEED outta the sale. Never ask for or Vocalize what I WANT. ANY businessman will read between the lines and know what Im talking about. Keep it honest and it works. PEACE!

[PHeMoX]

Originally Posted by GunnyGlow

It's kind of annoying when cheapskates ask you to pay their fee, too. Which is why the gift thing is popular. Pay the frickin couple of dollars for paypals fee if you're selling something. And don't ask for that crap(the fee) in your for sale ad. If you want $100 for your toy and $3 to cover the fee....then ask for $103!!! Why in the HELL would I pay YOUR fee??

Why complain about a lousy 3 dollars extra? Assuming you're not getting scammed, I'm perfectly fine with a $3 fee for Paypal. Most of the time I'd add such costs to shipping costs and be done with it.

A bigger nuisance for me tends to be the shipping costs that sometimes seems incredibly random, too high and different to what other companies charge.

The 'profit' margin on shipping costs for a company you buy products from really should be zero in my opinion.

[GunnyGlow]

Originally Posted by YSRRider

He purchased it for the wrong year motorcycle. Yes, I did list it again because it was being shipped back to me in a timely fashion. When the auction ended the second time, the buyer was demanding a tracking number right away. So yes, I did list it again before I had it back in my hands. The first guy to buy it drove out to pick it up along with other parts. We knew each other from an online forum. We're both honest people. I think I know where you are going with this. The second transaction would have gone fine if the guy wasnt so demanding. I had a near perfect feedback rating. He had no reason to think I would try to screw him. Obviously he was the one trying to be shady.

I would have been a little concerned that the first buyer, or the courier, might damage the item. Then, you get it back and have to explain to the second buyer the issue.
Lesson learned though...right?

Originally Posted by PHeMoX

Why complain about a lousy 3 dollars extra? Assuming you're not getting scammed, I'm perfectly fine with a $3 fee for Paypal. Most of the time I'd add such costs to shipping costs and be done with it.

A bigger nuisance for me tends to be the shipping costs that sometimes seems incredibly random, too high and different to what other companies charge.

The 'profit' margin on shipping costs for a company you buy products from really should be zero in my opinion.

So, is it safe to assume that anytime you use your CC it is ok for the person operating the POS machine to charge you the transaction fee? If so, that is ok.
But, I disagree with that practice. Especially considering that, much like Paypal, the person operating the POS machine agrees to certain terms.