Programming tips for the 12Z

RCfan · 06-22-2006, 10:41 AM

This post will be used to list programming tips, suggestions, procedures and other useful information relating to programming the 12Z.

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Tip away ... :mrgreen:

RCfan · 06-22-2006, 11:04 AM

Official 12Z FAQ

Always consult the official 12Z FAQ section from Futaba before asking for help. Many questions are already answered in their info.

http://www.futaba-rc.com/faq/faq-12z.html

Jason Bell · 12-04-2006, 07:34 PM

Servo Acceleration

Ok i was wondering how complicated this is to do, and if it makes noticiable difference in flight with quikness? Also on the pich how would you do it for the pitch same way as for the elevator and aileron?

RickyM · 01-28-2007, 02:19 PM

The acceleration feaure is for pitch only on heli, think you can other channel asignment for planks, I use this on all my machines and the ammount used depends on blades and dampners. For v blades 690 I use 35 acceleration with 25% dumping and set the act position to 10% stick and 90% stick and the normal pitch setting to around + - 12 deg For 710 v blades you need to reduce things a bit first the total colective to + - 11 and acceleration to 20% keep dumping the same
Head dampers are important here too soft and the heli puts alot of cyclic interaction in when you punch it and too hard the same result but a bit less!
For all other blades Radix SAB ect Set acceleration to 35-40% and dumping to 30 this will wake up any blade that may feel spongey when hard pitch reversals are given, You can ofcource increase theese values alot but run the risk of serious binding as the extra pitch delivery is too fast to see and check for binding!!
switch it on it's a blast!!!! :twisted:

hoot · 04-25-2007, 07:59 PM

I downloaded the latest 12Z update software. The new "Virtual Cyclic Ring" is great.
Also yes it does up the PPM to 12 channels. It's selectable 8/12. This is good for the XPS Universal 10 channel module since it plugs into the trainer port and needs the PPM side.

DavidH · 04-25-2007, 10:07 PM

Why would you want to use the XPS module and only have 10 channels? When you can use the Futaba 2.4 ghz module for the 12Z/14MZ and have 12 channels plus the 2048 resolution that is used now with G3.

David

Trooper Sam · 04-26-2007, 03:13 AM

Some people are going to go with what's available now, as opposed to waiting. I'd say cost might be an issue, but I have a hard time selling that one to myself when it's a $1200 radio involved.

hoot · 04-26-2007, 04:43 AM

I guess the big thing is cost. I don't need 12 channels. 10 is more than enough for my near term future.

For $199 XPS sells the module and the receiver. 10 channel receivers $99 each.
XPS looks to have a great system. It's based on military technology. It has some neat future potential to feed back data like battery voltage and engine temp... already built in. I had the sensor module in my hand at Toledo. XPS will deliver. They are proving it every day while Futaba and JR are crying because they missed the boat. The little antenna is drawing me near. I would bet XPS will give us the rest of the channels if we need them.

Futaba is gonna be a wallet snatcher...

Figure $300 for the module and $300+ for each receiver. I have 5 helis.

Fully equip...

XPS $600
Futaba $1800+

Right now I'm flying 1024 PCM with my 12Z cause I sold off my G3 receivers before the big price collapse. On the bench I see NO latency when I move my sticks. XPS resolution is way up there. I don't think latency is a problem at this point. I think Futaba pricing is a problem. Look at G3 receivers... nobody wants them because they are questionable. They are proof that Futaba isn't perfect and I don't feel they can justify their pricing structure because of the G3 debacle. They must be pocketing the R&D money.

With that track record, will Futaba FASST be reliable? Who knows? They were in 2.4ghz for a long time and only now are making it available due to competition. Why is that?

tiranosaurus rex · 07-21-2007, 04:30 AM

Hey guys,

Does the Futaba 12Z have the pitch dumb function as its older brother does ?

DavidH · 07-21-2007, 08:12 AM

Don't know exactly what your referring to. But the 12Z has the same functions as the 14 as far as the programming to fly a heli.

David

mpshaw · 09-23-2007, 09:31 AM

Where in the Futaba site is there a link to these updates for the 12Z?

Michael

DavidH · 09-23-2007, 01:47 PM

On the Futaba Flyers Club in the Download section is all the updates for the radios. You have to be logged on to the FFC to be able to download them.
The last 12Z update is dated 3/21/2007 update 1 1 0
This is the one that added the electronic cyclic ring and the A & B selectable modulation for the transmitter.
David

SoCalMike · 10-10-2007, 09:49 PM

Three reasons for the Xtreme choice are: it works; it's inexpensive; it offers enough channels for most of us.

I bought the 8-channel for my 9303, as I am using just 7 channels for my electric 50-sized.
I had persistent glitches one/flight, sometimes two, which I could not eliminate by boom-grounding, etc. But RFI cuts off at around 300 MHZ, and, sure enough, now that I fly 2.4 Ghz, no more glitches.

I was recently seriously considering a 12Z - not for helis, but for fixed-wing IMACs - but when I read the Futaba response to the "what's wrong with the G3 receiver" question, I decided to wait on this one until it comes out in native 2.4 Ghz..

I will stay with my old and true 9ZAPS until then..

DavidH · 10-11-2007, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalMike

Three reasons for the Xtreme choice are: it works; it's inexpensive; it offers enough channels for most of us.

I bought the 8-channel for my 9303, as I am using just 7 channels for my electric 50-sized.
I had persistent glitches one/flight, sometimes two, which I could not eliminate by boom-grounding, etc. But RFI cuts off at around 300 MHZ, and, sure enough, now that I fly 2.4 Ghz, no more glitches.

I was recently seriously considering a 12Z - not for helis, but for fixed-wing IMACs - but when I read the Futaba response to the "what's wrong with the G3 receiver" question, I decided to wait on this one until it comes out in native 2.4 Ghz..

I will stay with my old and true 9ZAPS until then..

Did you post this in the wrong thread? I don't see where it has anything to do with programming tips for the 12Z.

David

lrogers · 02-14-2008, 07:08 AM

When purchased, is there a way to tell if the latest programing was done at the factory?

tgo · 03-27-2008, 02:36 AM

Hi Hoot / SoCalMike,
I just moved from JR 9XII + XPS to 12FG 2.4. Well, the 12FG's response time is much faster than XPS !
If you guys love XPS, I have the TX module and many receivers for sell, all in good condition and lifetime warranty. Will you consider them?

Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalMike

Three reasons for the Xtreme choice are: it works; it's inexpensive; it offers enough channels for most of us.

I bought the 8-channel for my 9303, as I am using just 7 channels for my electric 50-sized.
I had persistent glitches one/flight, sometimes two, which I could not eliminate by boom-grounding, etc. But RFI cuts off at around 300 MHZ, and, sure enough, now that I fly 2.4 Ghz, no more glitches.

I was recently seriously considering a 12Z - not for helis, but for fixed-wing IMACs - but when I read the Futaba response to the "what's wrong with the G3 receiver" question, I decided to wait on this one until it comes out in native 2.4 Ghz..

I will stay with my old and true 9ZAPS until then..

ErichF · 03-30-2008, 08:18 PM

Heh, I just did the exact same thing...not because of XPS, but because I wanted the advanced programming/trimming features of the 12FGH.

I will be selling off my XP9303 and XPS Mod/RX too.

titanchin · 10-01-2009, 09:57 PM

Very good transmitter!!!

SR-71 · 12-26-2009, 11:18 AM

Anyone using the 12Z (with TM-14) with the Futaba R617FS receiver? If so, can you tell me which channel numbers (on the receiver) map to which heli's servos? Heli is an Align 600.

Thanks

SR-71

Jafa · 12-26-2009, 02:56 PM

Go into the linkage/function menu to see the channel assignments

06-22-2006, 10:41 AM	#1
RCfan Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Longwood, FL USA	Programming tips for the 12Z This post will be used to list programming tips, suggestions, procedures and other useful information relating to programming the 12Z. Posts NOT adhering to the above description, will be DELETED. The TITLE of each post must summarize what it's about, e.g. "Programming the GV1". If you have questions, you see problems in a post that require correction or otherwise want to comment on a post in this thread, please either PM the original poster directly or open a SEPARATE topic and reference the post in question from there. DO NOT ADD REPLIES TO THIS THREAD! Tip away ... :mrgreen:

06-22-2006, 11:04 AM	#2
RCfan Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Longwood, FL USA	Official 12Z FAQ Official 12Z FAQ Always consult the official 12Z FAQ section from Futaba before asking for help. Many questions are already answered in their info. http://www.futaba-rc.com/faq/faq-12z.html

12-04-2006, 07:34 PM	#3
Jason Bell Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chico, Ca	Servo Acceleration Ok i was wondering how complicated this is to do, and if it makes noticiable difference in flight with quikness? Also on the pich how would you do it for the pitch same way as for the elevator and aileron? __________________ Avant RC Factory Pilot / A Main Hobbies Customer Service. Representing: Team Avant,A Main Hobbies, YS Engines, Edge Blades, Thunder Power RC, Scorpion Power Systems, Spektrum RC, Aerospire RC, Insane Canopy, Castle Creations

01-28-2007, 02:19 PM	#4
RickyM Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: England	The acceleration feaure is for pitch only on heli, think you can other channel asignment for planks, I use this on all my machines and the ammount used depends on blades and dampners. For v blades 690 I use 35 acceleration with 25% dumping and set the act position to 10% stick and 90% stick and the normal pitch setting to around + - 12 deg For 710 v blades you need to reduce things a bit first the total colective to + - 11 and acceleration to 20% keep dumping the same Head dampers are important here too soft and the heli puts alot of cyclic interaction in when you punch it and too hard the same result but a bit less! For all other blades Radix SAB ect Set acceleration to 35-40% and dumping to 30 this will wake up any blade that may feel spongey when hard pitch reversals are given, You can ofcource increase theese values alot but run the risk of serious binding as the extra pitch delivery is too fast to see and check for binding!! switch it on it's a blast!!!! :twisted: __________________ Use the force!

04-26-2007, 03:13 AM	#7
Trooper Sam Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2006 Location: Perris, CA UNITED STATES OF AMERICA	Some people are going to go with what's available now, as opposed to waiting. I'd say cost might be an issue, but I have a hard time selling that one to myself when it's a $1200 radio involved. __________________ Trooper Sam -Planks are like feel-good buddy movies, and helis are like horror movies. You just gotta like being scared.

04-25-2007, 07:59 PM	#5
hoot Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.	I downloaded the latest 12Z update software. The new "Virtual Cyclic Ring" is great. Also yes it does up the PPM to 12 channels. It's selectable 8/12. This is good for the XPS Universal 10 channel module since it plugs into the trainer port and needs the PPM side.

04-25-2007, 10:07 PM	#6
DavidH My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL	Why would you want to use the XPS module and only have 10 channels? When you can use the Futaba 2.4 ghz module for the 12Z/14MZ and have 12 channels plus the 2048 resolution that is used now with G3. David

04-26-2007, 04:43 AM	#8
hoot Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.	I guess the big thing is cost. I don't need 12 channels. 10 is more than enough for my near term future. For $199 XPS sells the module and the receiver. 10 channel receivers $99 each. XPS looks to have a great system. It's based on military technology. It has some neat future potential to feed back data like battery voltage and engine temp... already built in. I had the sensor module in my hand at Toledo. XPS will deliver. They are proving it every day while Futaba and JR are crying because they missed the boat. The little antenna is drawing me near. I would bet XPS will give us the rest of the channels if we need them. Futaba is gonna be a wallet snatcher... Figure $300 for the module and $300+ for each receiver. I have 5 helis. Fully equip... XPS $600 Futaba $1800+ Right now I'm flying 1024 PCM with my 12Z cause I sold off my G3 receivers before the big price collapse. On the bench I see NO latency when I move my sticks. XPS resolution is way up there. I don't think latency is a problem at this point. I think Futaba pricing is a problem. Look at G3 receivers... nobody wants them because they are questionable. They are proof that Futaba isn't perfect and I don't feel they can justify their pricing structure because of the G3 debacle. They must be pocketing the R&D money. With that track record, will Futaba FASST be reliable? Who knows? They were in 2.4ghz for a long time and only now are making it available due to competition. Why is that?

07-21-2007, 04:30 AM	#9
tiranosaurus rex Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: mudgee	Hey guys, Does the Futaba 12Z have the pitch dumb function as its older brother does ? __________________ cheers, Caleb MA Fury Extreme: OS.90 C-spec \| MP2 \| GV-1 \| 9252's \| GY611/9256 \| RS770s \| 4.8v 3600mah subC \| V 690's / V 105 tails / V paddles ALIGN T-REX 600 N (Up next) OS.50SX-h Hyper \| hatori 522 \| 9252's \| GY611/9256 \| RS770s \| 4.8v 3600mah subC \| Radix 600's \| NHP 95mm tails JR X2610 trany Reflex XTR sim TakeoffandLand Coolpower 'Don't be dumb...use the sim' To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-21-2007, 08:12 AM	#10
DavidH My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL	Don't know exactly what your referring to. But the 12Z has the same functions as the 14 as far as the programming to fly a heli. David

09-23-2007, 09:31 AM	#11
mpshaw Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California	Where in the Futaba site is there a link to these updates for the 12Z? Michael

09-23-2007, 01:47 PM	#12
DavidH My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL	On the Futaba Flyers Club in the Download section is all the updates for the radios. You have to be logged on to the FFC to be able to download them. The last 12Z update is dated 3/21/2007 update 1 1 0 This is the one that added the electronic cyclic ring and the A & B selectable modulation for the transmitter. David

10-10-2007, 09:49 PM	#13
SoCalMike Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: California	Three reasons for the Xtreme choice are: it works; it's inexpensive; it offers enough channels for most of us. I bought the 8-channel for my 9303, as I am using just 7 channels for my electric 50-sized. I had persistent glitches one/flight, sometimes two, which I could not eliminate by boom-grounding, etc. But RFI cuts off at around 300 MHZ, and, sure enough, now that I fly 2.4 Ghz, no more glitches. I was recently seriously considering a 12Z - not for helis, but for fixed-wing IMACs - but when I read the Futaba response to the "what's wrong with the G3 receiver" question, I decided to wait on this one until it comes out in native 2.4 Ghz.. I will stay with my old and true 9ZAPS until then..

02-14-2008, 07:08 AM	#15
lrogers Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mobile, Al. USA	programing updates When purchased, is there a way to tell if the latest programing was done at the factory? __________________ Larry R. Rogers Helinut 1st Class B.O.S.S. member "Dragon Balls"

03-30-2008, 08:18 PM	#17
ErichF Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Gainesville, FL 32606	Heh, I just did the exact same thing...not because of XPS, but because I wanted the advanced programming/trimming features of the 12FGH. I will be selling off my XP9303 and XPS Mod/RX too.

10-01-2009, 09:57 PM	#18
titanchin Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Malaysia	Very good transmitter!!!

12-26-2009, 11:18 AM	#19
SR-71 Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	12Z and R6717FS Receiver Anyone using the 12Z (with TM-14) with the Futaba R617FS receiver? If so, can you tell me which channel numbers (on the receiver) map to which heli's servos? Heli is an Align 600. Thanks SR-71

12-26-2009, 02:56 PM	#20
Jafa Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sydney Australia	Go into the linkage/function menu to see the channel assignments __________________ Rave 450 \| Lepton \| Logo 400/500/600 \| Aeolus \| Sceadu \| Freya \| Avant FX \| Raptor G4 Gryphon field rep

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