Zoom Tips and Tricks - Page 4

rob_jones · 10-12-2004, 10:04 AM

It's kind of working right now. I just received a payment that was sent over the weekend. I couldn't log in, though. But at least there are signs of life!

Pipefish · 10-13-2004, 04:03 PM

I have just received a WRONG motor for my Shogun, instead of a 4200, I´ve received a 4100 (2015-Himaxx of course) Is there any chance for me to use it on Shogun or I´ll have to sell it?

Regards

rob_jones · 10-13-2004, 04:18 PM

I'm afraid it won't work too well. The 4200 is a much better match. Sorry! :cry:

amphip · 10-13-2004, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BimmerM3

I've heard of people buying them new for $159. I paid $240 for mine!

But I had to have one and couldn't wait.

I see that there is an option now for bevel gears in the tail. If I hadn't already done the belt mod on mine, I would have ordered a set already. Now if they could just fix the input gear - or better yet, design it with a belt from the start.

Bevel gears...nothing like such sophistication has arrived yet in AUS (not surprising...we are 2 years behind everybody!!)
Where can I get them ??? - tail is the biggest weakness on the "ZAP" (Australian for :Shogun " !!)
Thanks...amphip

rob_jones · 10-14-2004, 10:15 AM

Here:

http://store.xtremercproducts.com/evo165163.html

And here:

http://store.xtremercproducts.com/evo165191.html

Still no cure for the input gear, however...

Hellboy · 10-15-2004, 02:18 AM

you guys can find a nice set of landing skids at helli hobbies (soory dont know the web site).
it cost me about $20, has two struts (for/aft) bent out of spring steel and the solid alluminium landing skids, they have a nice wide stance and the skids position can be adjusted .
im very happy with my set and it has taken some serious abuse note though it is obviously heavier

mapmanufacturers · 11-15-2004, 04:21 PM

Heres my upgrade for the landing gear and skids for the zoom :wink:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297349

rob_jones · 11-15-2004, 04:25 PM

Cool! That looks really good. I wondered if the T-Rex gear would fit...

davjac · 02-20-2005, 07:34 PM

Does anyone know where I can get the assembly manual for the entire Zoom, not just the 90% assembled version? I am having trouble replacing the main shaft. Any help would be great!

Thanks,

Davjac

rob_jones · 02-21-2005, 05:04 PM

Ask and you shall receive!

http://www.hifirc.com/manual/trex450xe.htm

davjac · 02-21-2005, 10:09 PM

Thanks for the quick response. I was looking for the Shogun Zoom 400 manual. If there is something similar to the Trex manual you provided that would be awesome!

Thanks again.

Davjac

rob_jones · 02-22-2005, 08:53 AM

Oh, my mistake. Sorry! I don't know if there is a manual like that for the Shogun. To my knowledge, it is only available as an ARF.

What is the problem you are having? To get the main shaft out, you have to disconnect the links to the lower swashplate, loosen the two collars, and loosen the set screw in the pitch lever. It will then slide out the top. To get the pitch rod out of the center of the main shaft, you have to unscrew it from the black plastic slide block in the slot near the top of the shaft.

MyStar · 02-25-2005, 11:10 AM

Hey guys,

Great stuff. My Shogun is on the way. I can't wait to try it out. A close friend has one and I really like it. All the info everyone has posted should make this a trouble free setup.

Thanks everyone for all the good advise

Graybug · 02-26-2005, 07:43 AM

Davjac,

Here is a link to the Micro Star manual--same as Zoom/Shogun--and it has a section showing how to replace the main shaft.

http://steph.bvdep.com/downloads/MicroStar400.pdf

Graybug

davjac · 03-04-2005, 10:33 PM

Thanks Graybug. Exactly what I was looking for!

davjac

RCMADHELI · 06-11-2005, 09:16 AM

The link for the manual is not working anymore.... but below you'll find two pdf's with the manual in it. Scroll down in the PDF's for the Englisch version.

Furthermore I would suggest checking this link for the most cost-effective conversion to belt drive: http://www.helifreak.com/about3643.html
For less than $20,- you can't afford to stay with the gears.....

I have also glued two small carbon rods to the back of my tailfin in order to prevent vibrations, seems to work very well. The tail fin is a lot stiffer, see picture:

Wirestealth · 10-06-2005, 06:20 PM

I have a problem with my zoom 400 !!! when i start to give power to the heli my tail rotor shaft will bend if i give more power them half stick. I have changue the rotor for one in titanium and the same problem! Any help?

CHELLIE · 09-22-2006, 02:16 PM

Hi Everyone, I have a question, will a Watt age super 400 cobalt motor from hobby people fit into my shogen v2 ? they say it will fit all 400 applications, and my stock shogun motor smells all hot and burnt after 10 min of flying, i think i burnt it up

the Wattage super 400 is a brush motor, and cheap like me

and a heat sink might make it last longer, a brushless would be better i know, but i just want to get a little more cheap training in with this shogun, before buying a century swift heli, I am to the point where i can tail in hover

so far, it will be a while before i can fly upside down , if ever

or does anyone know of a better brush motor that will fit the shogun and last longer than the stock motor, any help will be very very helpful, Thank you, Chellie.

Danyboy · 11-06-2006, 01:47 PM

Canizes,

Could you please rephrase that?
As far as I read you, the shaft of the tailrotor bends when applying more than about 50% power? In other words, you have heavy vibrations on the tailrotor?
If that's it, it sounds like a non-balanced tailrotor to me, or a shaft that is already bent and therefore starts to wobble at higher RPM's. Or maybe a ball-bearing on the tailrotor's shaft has desintegrated...
Could be a lot of things, if you could give us a closer description, we might be able to point you right...

Chellie,
I never even tried that stock motor...
I read from in a MicroStar review (that's Graupner's clone of Shogun), that with stock you just get 2400RPM's out of it. Which will get lower with increased pitch and also diminishing battery-voltage...
I went straight-away to the motor that Graupner suggest for it: Brushless... (Compact320H 11,1V)
Maybe it's five times the price of the original, but believe me: it's worry-free.
I can see it from the BladeCP, that if's not really fun - simply not satisfying - to have a bogging RPM with full pitch...
If you run that motor at almost full power, you get around 13 minutes of hovering out of a 1700mAh pack, not really getting warm at all. With a Pitch of around +/-10°, when applying full pitch, it felt as if the heli was being held to the ground by a rubber band when in hover, and by applying full pitch, that band was being cut...
And just to confirm, I could've thrown in another 100$ for a more expensive ESC with governor-function... So I'm not really working the expensive way, just middle-class...

I guess I'm trying to say:
Do not only look for the cheapest way...
By buying something just a bit more expensive, you might have a hell of a lot more of fun.
In the end, getting several cheap motors and then buying a more expensive BL is still more expensive in the end than if you'd have bought the BL from start...

Not counting on nerves and maintenance-time...
Though I also just learnt hovering on the Zoom, it was reassuring to know (kind of worry-free) that my abilities could not exceed the models. Finding out it was the other way around sucks... At least in my opinion...

And then again, looking at a heli that can easily exceed 600$, is it really worth to save money on a 100$ motor-combo?

If still not convinced: I still have my original motor and its esc from Protech... You can have it for the costs of shipping... Interested?

Cheers from Daniel, sorta back in the saddle...

PS: I have now successfully upgraded now to belt-tail, can't wait to do some more exciting stuff than I did with the Blade...

gord165 · 12-26-2010, 12:11 PM

Main blade grips is a must if you're still using stock plastic ones.

10-15-2004, 02:18 AM	#66
Hellboy Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: glendale, CA	you guys can find a nice set of landing skids at helli hobbies (soory dont know the web site). it cost me about $20, has two struts (for/aft) bent out of spring steel and the solid alluminium landing skids, they have a nice wide stance and the skids position can be adjusted . im very happy with my set and it has taken some serious abuse note though it is obviously heavier __________________ The Future is to be Designed..... Not predicted

09-22-2006, 02:16 PM	#78
CHELLIE Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: so calif	motor upgrade shogun v2 Hi Everyone, I have a question, will a Watt age super 400 cobalt motor from hobby people fit into my shogen v2 ? they say it will fit all 400 applications, and my stock shogun motor smells all hot and burnt after 10 min of flying, i think i burnt it up the Wattage super 400 is a brush motor, and cheap like me and a heat sink might make it last longer, a brushless would be better i know, but i just want to get a little more cheap training in with this shogun, before buying a century swift heli, I am to the point where i can tail in hover so far, it will be a while before i can fly upside down , if ever or does anyone know of a better brush motor that will fit the shogun and last longer than the stock motor, any help will be very very helpful, Thank you, Chellie.

11-06-2006, 01:47 PM	#79
Danyboy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Volketswil, Switzerland	Canizes, Could you please rephrase that? As far as I read you, the shaft of the tailrotor bends when applying more than about 50% power? In other words, you have heavy vibrations on the tailrotor? If that's it, it sounds like a non-balanced tailrotor to me, or a shaft that is already bent and therefore starts to wobble at higher RPM's. Or maybe a ball-bearing on the tailrotor's shaft has desintegrated... Could be a lot of things, if you could give us a closer description, we might be able to point you right... Chellie, I never even tried that stock motor... I read from in a MicroStar review (that's Graupner's clone of Shogun), that with stock you just get 2400RPM's out of it. Which will get lower with increased pitch and also diminishing battery-voltage... I went straight-away to the motor that Graupner suggest for it: Brushless... (Compact320H 11,1V) Maybe it's five times the price of the original, but believe me: it's worry-free. I can see it from the BladeCP, that if's not really fun - simply not satisfying - to have a bogging RPM with full pitch... If you run that motor at almost full power, you get around 13 minutes of hovering out of a 1700mAh pack, not really getting warm at all. With a Pitch of around +/-10°, when applying full pitch, it felt as if the heli was being held to the ground by a rubber band when in hover, and by applying full pitch, that band was being cut... And just to confirm, I could've thrown in another 100$ for a more expensive ESC with governor-function... So I'm not really working the expensive way, just middle-class... I guess I'm trying to say: Do not only look for the cheapest way... By buying something just a bit more expensive, you might have a hell of a lot more of fun. In the end, getting several cheap motors and then buying a more expensive BL is still more expensive in the end than if you'd have bought the BL from start... Not counting on nerves and maintenance-time... Though I also just learnt hovering on the Zoom, it was reassuring to know (kind of worry-free) that my abilities could not exceed the models. Finding out it was the other way around sucks... At least in my opinion... And then again, looking at a heli that can easily exceed 600$, is it really worth to save money on a 100$ motor-combo? If still not convinced: I still have my original motor and its esc from Protech... You can have it for the costs of shipping... Interested? Cheers from Daniel, sorta back in the saddle... PS: I have now successfully upgraded now to belt-tail, can't wait to do some more exciting stuff than I did with the Blade... __________________ Many happy landings!

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10-12-2004, 10:04 AM	#61
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	It's kind of working right now. I just received a payment that was sent over the weekend. I couldn't log in, though. But at least there are signs of life!

10-13-2004, 04:03 PM	#62
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Brasil	I have just received a WRONG motor for my Shogun, instead of a 4200, I´ve received a 4100 (2015-Himaxx of course) Is there any chance for me to use it on Shogun or I´ll have to sell it? Regards

10-13-2004, 04:18 PM	#63
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	I'm afraid it won't work too well. The 4200 is a much better match. Sorry! :cry:

10-14-2004, 10:15 AM	#65
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	Here: http://store.xtremercproducts.com/evo165163.html And here: http://store.xtremercproducts.com/evo165191.html Still no cure for the input gear, however...

11-15-2004, 04:21 PM	#67
mapmanufacturers Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Winchester, VA	Heres my upgrade for the landing gear and skids for the zoom :wink: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297349

11-15-2004, 04:25 PM	#68
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	Cool! That looks really good. I wondered if the T-Rex gear would fit...

02-20-2005, 07:34 PM	#69
davjac Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NEBRASKA	Does anyone know where I can get the assembly manual for the entire Zoom, not just the 90% assembled version? I am having trouble replacing the main shaft. Any help would be great! Thanks, Davjac

02-21-2005, 05:04 PM	#70
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	Ask and you shall receive! http://www.hifirc.com/manual/trex450xe.htm

02-21-2005, 10:09 PM	#71
davjac Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NEBRASKA	Thanks for the quick response. I was looking for the Shogun Zoom 400 manual. If there is something similar to the Trex manual you provided that would be awesome! Thanks again. Davjac

02-22-2005, 08:53 AM	#72
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Perry, GA	Oh, my mistake. Sorry! I don't know if there is a manual like that for the Shogun. To my knowledge, it is only available as an ARF. What is the problem you are having? To get the main shaft out, you have to disconnect the links to the lower swashplate, loosen the two collars, and loosen the set screw in the pitch lever. It will then slide out the top. To get the pitch rod out of the center of the main shaft, you have to unscrew it from the black plastic slide block in the slot near the top of the shaft.

02-25-2005, 11:10 AM	#73
MyStar Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roanoke, Virginia	Hey guys, Great stuff. My Shogun is on the way. I can't wait to try it out. A close friend has one and I really like it. All the info everyone has posted should make this a trouble free setup. Thanks everyone for all the good advise

02-26-2005, 07:43 AM	#74
Graybug Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne, Florida	Davjac, Here is a link to the Micro Star manual--same as Zoom/Shogun--and it has a section showing how to replace the main shaft. http://steph.bvdep.com/downloads/MicroStar400.pdf Graybug

03-04-2005, 10:33 PM	#75
davjac Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NEBRASKA	Thanks Graybug. Exactly what I was looking for! davjac

10-06-2005, 06:20 PM	#77
Wirestealth Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Portugal	I have a problem with my zoom 400 !!! when i start to give power to the heli my tail rotor shaft will bend if i give more power them half stick. I have changue the rotor for one in titanium and the same problem! Any help?

12-26-2010, 12:11 PM	#80
gord165 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada	Main blade grips is a must if you're still using stock plastic ones.