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Old 10-29-2012, 08:49 AM   #1
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Default I want an EDF Jet!

Ok I have been flying helis for about 6 years now. Not really into 3D but a competent pilot. Have built and flown all the way up to 90 size, electric and nitro. Currently building a Rotormast V22 Osprey Tiltrotor.

I bougth a Parkzone T-28 to start learing how to fly planes. As expected it is very easy. Still need to get better at picture perfect landings but so far no unplanned landings

So I am looking around and I see the Eflite F-4 Phantom EDF jet. That plane has always been a favorite of mine. I figure I could build it no problem. But some quick browsing suggest that folks think it is a handful to fly.

Is this too much of a stretch? If so any suggestions to bridge the gap?

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Old 10-29-2012, 10:18 AM   #2
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I think you would be better served by starting with something less expensive and more durable, maybe the Habu 2. With something like the F4, you will need to be able to consistently have very good landings. A foam EDF will be a lot more forgiving if you bounce the landing sometimes.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:40 PM   #3
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Thanks Ace. I checked out the Habu 2 and it seems like a good bridge to the F-4.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:37 AM   #4
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And in true Helifreak fashion I bought them both!!
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:08 PM   #5
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Well played sir!
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awesome ! i was gonna mention the Phase 3 EF-16 from Hobby People

http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php...r-and-esc.html

super awesome EDF..
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i had a phse 3 f-16, really fun jet.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:50 AM   #8
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That F-16 does look nice!

I am still "building" my Habu 2. Got the Flaps and retracts installed.

One "beginner" question - When it says to have 19MM throw, where do you measure from/to?

I assume the trailing edge of the control surface to the "neutral" position of control surface. (i.e. top to top, or middle to middle, or bottom to bottom).

As I am a heli guy, I am setting all my dual rates to the FM switch. There are just too many D/R switches to remember!
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:23 PM   #9
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That F-16 does look nice!

I am still "building" my Habu 2. Got the Flaps and retracts installed.

One "beginner" question - When it says to have 19MM throw, where do you measure from/to?

I assume the trailing edge of the control surface to the "neutral" position of control surface. (i.e. top to top, or middle to middle, or bottom to bottom).

As I am a heli guy, I am setting all my dual rates to the FM switch. There are just too many D/R switches to remember!
Yep, that is correct. Neutral would have the control surface perfectly inline with the wing panel or horizontal stabilator. You measure the displacement from neutral to full deflection, bottom to bottom or top to top.
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That's great that you decided to go with the Habu foam EDF first, it's definitely a much better choice than jumping to the F-4 right away.

I also flew helis first before learning to fly planes and now I have a few foam EDFs. Landing EDFs is what was the most challenging for me. For the F-4 you really need to nail down the nose-high, power-on landings due to it's weight instead of gliding it in. The Habu will be a good platform to practice this. Light foam jets are easily land-able by chopping off the throttle and gliding it in but the F-4 will need a proper jet landing approach and flare.

Funny but I am also building an Eflite F-4 right now which will be my first real "non-foam" jet. Take your time, check out the thread on rcgroups about the F-4 and ask questions either here or there.

Looking forward to your reports on your EDF flights, good luck!
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:58 AM   #11
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Thanks Castel - it made sense to me but just wanted to be sure. I had a steeper learning curve with heli setup but now am well versed. Good confirmtaion on the progression. I certainly have no issues with the flying/landing the HABU 2 on Phoenix Sim, so that gets me half way to real life!

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Old 11-29-2012, 01:49 PM   #12
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Ok, definitely glad I went for the foam Habu 2 first! Flying is no issue and very fun. The speed is no more diffucult to handle than my 700.

Landing, well that is another story entirely! first flight I landed, uhh, intact. second flight with flaps down I tried to abort and come around. was going too slow and it just fell straight down from about 15 ft into tall dead grass. Cracked a wing but was able to glue it back together. I removed the retracts for fear of destroying them.

Inspected and got it out again but now it wants to roll hard right. I have to keep 1/4 left aileron to fly level. Servos seem fine (not stripped, check throws and centering). Also there is no imbalance in CG left to right. Wings seem to be symmetrical still, horizontal stab seems fine. Vertical stab is a little off angle but didn'd "seem" bad. Not really sure what would cause such a dramatic right roll. But, with an airplane I am back at the bottom of the learning curve.

I am currently replacing everything but the fuselage to start with a "straight" airplane. Have also been practicing landings in Phoenix Sim much more diligently.

Hopefully will get her in the air this weekend. Still have not started on the F-4 but have all the parts finally. Will build that over the winter.

All in all I think I am going to really like Jets...
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I ended up replacing the wings, horizontal and vertical stabs. also got some better servos (hitec 65 MG and BB).

Had it out last weekend and had 4 successful flights AND LANDINGS. diligent practice on the phoenix sim with the Habu2 and hawk trainer (turbine) really paid off. I am really liking EDF Jets. Should be able to get out this weekend as well.

I added another step in front of the F-4 Phantom - I also got the Habu 32 and will try that before the Phantom maiden.

I really can now recommend the Habu 2 as a great 1st EDF a others did for me. It is not that fast and very forgiving. You don't want retracts right out of the gate until you get the landings down, and I am not using flaps yet either. it will fly slow enough without flaps.

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Old 04-01-2013, 12:48 PM   #14
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Well still don't quite have the landings perfected on the Habu 2. Habu 32 is ready to go once I am comfortable. It is a big step up from the foamie, though.

I'm afraid I've gone and done something rather rash...

Ordered a Composite ARF Ultra Flash. Will have a 31lb thrust turbine and has a 71" wingspan. WIll be working on turbine waiver over the summer.

http://www.carf-models.com/public_ca...le=Ultra Flash

I really think jets are a logical leap for heli pilots. The props are ok but get boring fast to me while flying. Building on the other hand, you can build some really neat scale models if you are into that.

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Holy! That's huge!! You got bit too by the EDF bug. I was only flying my 600 heli non-stop until I started flying jets. They are definitely fun... Now I fly jets a lot more than I do my heli. Good with the Ultra Flash, it looks awesome! Do you have a handle in rcgroups.com as well?
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:09 PM   #16
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Same handle on RCGROUPS and RCUNIVERSE. What jets are you flying?

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Holy! That's huge!! You got bit too by the EDF bug. I was only flying my 600 heli non-stop until I started flying jets. They are definitely fun... Now I fly jets a lot more than I do my heli. Good with the Ultra Flash, it looks awesome! Do you have a handle in rcgroups.com as well?
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I have two 64mm F-18s, a Hobbyking 70mm Zephyr V-70 EDF/Glider, a twin 64mm Starmax F-14 and the Eflite F-4. It's addicting! I am still learning to land the F-4 consistently, it's awesome when I'm able to. I modified it and added a drag chute. Here's a video of it:


I have the handle Castel101 in rcgroups. Right now I'm working on a 70mm LX F-16, I'm planning on doing a detailed cockpit and do FPV from inside... we'll see how that goes .

Any videos of your flights?
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:06 AM   #18
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Castel,

I have seen that video on RCGROUPS. That is very cool. Yep definitely bitten by the JET BUG! Good luck with your latest project - sounds great.
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Very neat. impressive!
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