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12-01-2012, 04:23 PM | #41 (permalink) |
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Ummm... yeah.
I don't mean to be snarky, but that video is pretty much worthless. There's nothing in it we haven't all seen the original Genius do in the hands of an experienced pilot; or for that matter, the Blade Nano, mCPX or any other modern flybarless microheli when operated by an experienced pilot. What was SUPPOSED to set the Genius apart was what it could do in the hands of an INEXPERIENCED PILOT; namely, correct itself and not crash every 30 seconds. I for one have yet to see this mythical holy grail in action; I've come close, but still not there yet. You want to impress me? Show it taking off and landing with hands off the cyclic; that's what the original Genius CP was touted as being able to do. Show it happening on MY Genius CP and I'll buy you lunch. mnem Getting tired of "So close". |
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12-02-2012, 12:12 AM | #42 (permalink) | |
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To land it, I fly it close to ground (1-2 cm) and finish off landing by hitting TH - nice landing and no issues with tipping over etc.
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12-03-2012, 12:47 AM | #43 (permalink) | |
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Right now I'm busy doing a review on a "Toy grade" quad that flies like my GCP is SUPPOSED to do... and even self-corrects after doing a somersault flip. If they can make that work right OUT OF THE BOX on a $50 POS toy quad, why can't they do it on a name-brand heli that costs 3x as much? Truth be told, I've had a LOT more "plain old fun" flying my toy aircraft than ANYTHING I've built EXCEPT my scratch-built foamie delta wing. I even got out my old 9101 450-size Coaxial last week planning to take it for a club trainer; but all the "experienced pilots" wanted to try the "ginormous coaxial that's like flying a pillow". I spent as much time shooting video as flying; and it was the most fun I've had at the club yet. mnem Maybe I'm just a toy. Person. |
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12-03-2012, 06:15 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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I had a serious good time with my toy coax. Bopping to landings all over the room. Shooting for record times and low corrections. Until the time I didnt give enough throttle on a forward flight take off and it basically fell off the desk. My reaction was full throttle. It shot forward and self corrected thanks to the flybar and no forward flight input. It was never quite fast enough after that. Now I am here. I will be the first to admit its been quite an uphill battle. I really do not think the Genius is as beginner FRIENDLY as the adverts make it out to be. I'll be honest, I never tried 6 axis on genius #2. My fast and furious research on a micro sized CP Heli included a lot of warning about the difficulties I would face. Compounded with the fact I do not have a good floor for ground flight practice. From the eyes of a beginner I think it is a good heli to begin on. I know I still have a long road as I can only keep a hover in about a 6 inch radius. But I do get a second here and there with no collective input. I still cant handle it in ground effect. I am still a bit iffy in the side views and bail from nose in to tail in after a few seconds, but it is growing longer and longer. While the first one required constant work, it did handle lots of really hard wrecks. So many and so much flight time, I fried the main motor on genius #2 and only broke 1 landing support. 3 and 4 are due here today It isnt very friendly, in fact its a squirrely lil bugger, but in the end, I think its durability and my lack of concern because of this helped my learn faster than any large expensive heli would have. (this probably applies to the mini and maybe the mCPX etc)
Anyone ever figure out if there is an actual difference to the V2 besides the canopy and TX? Which I have used both and cant tell the difference. My first Genius (Exceed rebrand) had the V2 TX and turned me off of 6 Axis real quick. |
12-27-2012, 08:59 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Genius V2 wasn't responding to fixed ID but I stumbled upon a method that got it to work. Then a friend tried it with his Master CP and it worked as well. Here it is: 1. Use the bind plug to make sure the fixed ID is cancelled. 2. Turn on the transmitter (which is not in FID mode), then plug in the lipo and wait for the slow bind. 3. On the FID menu, turn on FID. Click in the number field, then click "setup" and wait. Check for proper bind by wiggling the cyclic a little. 4. Turn off the transmitter while leaving the heli on. IMPORTANT: Weigh down the heli or clamp down, because the next step will cause an unexpected short spool up. 5. Turn the transmitter back on. (THE BLADES MIGHT SPIN HERE) and once again check for bind. Now FID should work. Unplug the lipo then plug in again. The heli should bind using FID. |
12-31-2012, 12:31 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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First off let me say that I’m still a beginner who has trouble flying a cp type bird in any sort of circle but one where I stay tail-in! Not quite that bad, but no inverted or anything like that and no real skills yet other than having a lot of fun. (the only free part right?)
I bought a Version 2 the other day and had it drop shipped to my in-laws (from Santa of course!) and since then have bound it to my Devo-6 and played with here in CT, mainly indoors because of the current weather. Since I can’t comment on more complicated things like inverted flight etc. I don’t have a lot to offer but I would at least like to explain what this bird means to a beginner like me. I can suddenly practice indoors even at my in-laws not only without fear of hitting the walls, but also being able to do things like landing and taking off from a table full of people. I was able to do this with the Ladybird Quad no problem, but never even dared to use the table for a landing pad, much less when anyone was close by with my old Genius version one. I suppose if go back to the only one that I got to work in 6x period without the glitching servo problem (well documented on this site) and compare it, but that would be a waste of time since with the V2 you don’t have to nor do you want to even think about it. I’m guessing that a proper mix of accelerometers and gyros is necessary to get the correct mix of stable (beginner level) hovering combined with the ability to move into high performance mode capable of inverted flight with the flip of a Flight Mode (or mix or whatever) switch on the transmitter. This bird appears to have worked out a good mix if the videos aren’t faked. Knowing the bird can do that to me is like knowing my car can go 120 MPH. Probably great but not something I will need to worry about for now (if ever). When I return home I will take the time to post some data that people might find useful but so far what I have noticed is not only that I can do CW and CCW piros in the space of a foot or two, but it really felt responsive. The kind of rush I was used to getting with my V120D02S, but not so much with my old gcps. I have always flew stock (Walkera) batteries and stock connectors mainly because of the ease of use. So everything on my birds is stock (except for a few replaced power cables with larger diameter wire. Maybe I just think the pitch pumps are going so much faster because the tail holds so well that all you think about is throttle and altitude, not so much orientation or cyclic needed since all that is needed for a clean perfect climb is cranking up the collective and watch it climb out! Again a lot like the Ladybird in that sense. It climbs fast and true. Others can argue whether or not this should have been the ‘original’ stable bird they said they had with the version 1 we all grew to live and mostly love, but I say if you are currently flying a V1 (or 3 or them for triple redundancy) I would focus on selling them and buying a V2 before the market for the V1 dries up. Based on what it has allowed me to do both inside and out, I have to say I consider my 3 old ones to be a lot less fun. I almost switched to a different brand of micro for indoor use over the long cold winter time, but since I liked the Devo-6 so well and the GCP V2 used all of the same spares I have from servos to blades for the V1 I decided to try a Genius CP V2. Damn glad I did. (more later) |
12-31-2012, 08:59 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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Please do continue to post your thoughts and experience with the V2. I had the impression that on the V2 there is no longer a switch for 3 vs 6 axis on the board, is that correct?
I have been thinking about buying a v2 myself for the very same reason you mentioned (parts I already have stocked for the V1 would fit). I am particularly glad to hear that it seems stable enough to truly fly a bit indoors without so much worry of losing control. I ca hover the V1 indoors but it is a constant struggle to keep from hitting something and I would never consider doing it with others in the room. It is encouraging to see that you feel good about doing so with your V2. Looking forward to more of your experiences with this bird Jim
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12-31-2012, 06:21 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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Let me start with a recommendation this time. I recommend never hovering the GCP or any other bird near yourself or especially others. I happened to be sitting at a table with a bunch of people wearing helmets and masks and bullet-proof vests at the time so... (grin)
Seriously, I would be very careful hovering close to yourself much less anyone else and be sure that if you take an eye out because of a servo malfunction, user glitch or someone bumping into you, be sure that they already have a glass one unless you have lots of insurance and want something to regret the rest of your life. I had second thoughts about that part of the post, but I did do it and never recommend it. Do as I say.., That said, yes it is true that there are no switches on the RX like the original. To get into “Servo Alingment/Test Mode” you simply choose a flight mode with the gyro < 50%, and the switch from stable 6x to flexible 3x is all handled automatically by the receiver firmware I suspect very much like it does on the new V120D02S V2 that brags about 6x being added. As far as I can tell this works very well, but not being able to flip it I have to refer to the pros and some of the clips I’ve seen prove that it can still do it just fine if not better. If you are interested download the 30+MB manual and see pages 8+9 for how they removed the switches. When I get back to town, Jazzjohn and I are going to try and come up with a better evaluation of the V2 with an eye towards focusing on the differences vs. the original version. There are plenty of evaluations out there on the original, but I haven’t seen much on the V2 since this thread was started. I’m sure there will be much better ones with video and setup tips down the road though and look forward to learning more from the folks that at least like to flip it and fly upside down since I think that is about as far as I will ever get. (Wishful thinking maybe?) Glad you found my first impression helpful. Bob at HeliRCstore was the one that turned me onto it, and I really like the results. I ordered another for my backup today and plan to sell my originals when I get home. Some will still find it hard to swallow buying a V2 since they invested in the original GCP and now Walkera feel like they finally have the bird these folks thought they were getting back then and I see their point. 6x mode on the original was highly touted as being the path forward after you got sick of the coaxial speed etc. or the FP (mCX like or V100D) with FB routine and wanted to move to a CP for speed, performance or inverted flight. Well the wait is over since this is one I would recommend to anyone serious about moving on. I also recommend a sim and a lot of spares and a huge battery budget and last but not least SAFTEY! (TBC…) |
12-31-2012, 07:00 PM | #49 (permalink) |
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heres my take on the v2, being a newbie and tried and crashed a 450 bird every 30 seconds, im finding that i can fly this little guy with no big issues. seems very stable i"m sure it needs some more tweeking but OTB it flys and hovers, which is more than i can say for my 450, lol. the skids are very flexible and so far have held up, as well as everything else from the few crashes it has taken so far. it could use some better batteries and i think 6 axis is what it is, i havent read the manual word for word yet but I find no mention of 3 axis mode anywhere. all in all so far i like it.
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01-01-2013, 11:45 AM | #50 (permalink) |
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I think that when this thread was started there was some confusion on the meaning if a "v2" model. During the production run of the original genius, at some point, the receiver module was changed. Not sure I would call it an upgrade because there were no real reports of any differences other than physical ones. (An extra empty port on the board for example). Then there was the release of the improved canopy that was referred to as the "v2" canopy (the one piece, supposedly indestructible canopy).
Now that there is a REAL V2 model released by Walkera as such with real differences it would appear that not much attention is being paid to it. I have two of the Genius CPs and I am very happy with the performance of them but I have not yet progressed into any real 3d type flying as yet. If this V2 is truly better I would be very tempted to order one myself, even though I have two of the originals. Mine would come from Bob at HeliRCStore as well. I have found him to be an excellent vendor who seems to care about getting his customers products that will fit them and be reliable. Very refreshing these days... Thanks again for your time sharing your impressions here. Jim
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01-02-2013, 03:59 PM | #51 (permalink) |
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I have 2 original GCPs converted to Minis but they are both WK RX run on my 2801 Pro. I asume the V2 will only be in the Devo format and am thinking of getting the V2 RX and the Devo cube to plugt into the 2801.
Kepp up the good review and convince me to upgrade to Devo 6ax. RD |
01-05-2013, 07:29 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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Unfortunately the USPO has been busy (probably shipping Christmas returns?) so Jazzjohn and I haven't received the new birds yet. I still have my main one, but my backups are the original birds. Not a problem though since you really have to try to crash (and strip servos like the original) this one indoors. It is no more durable than the original from what I can tell except for the thicker struts on the skids that were starting to show up as spares anyway. Again, you have to be hard on this to break things but if you plan to practice inverted indoors for the first time be prepared to replace some servos and frames along the way.
I think the magic of what they now call the V2 is in the rx. The bird is so much more stable that even my wife commented today about how stable it was compared to my "other ones" so that is a valuable testament to the V2 rx since I haven't become a better pilot because I got one! (If only...) Anyway, when Jazzjohn and I get the new birds next week expect more opinions from at least the 2 of us... In the mean time, happy hovering. pcp |
01-06-2013, 03:07 PM | #53 (permalink) |
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Not much diff
I have the Cp and the Cp V2. Except for the tail prop all the physical measurements are the same. My older Genius has the RX2625H Board that has the switches to turn of the 6 axis. The V2 has the RX2644H-D, no physical switches to shut off the 6 axis. Flying them both inside in my living room with a Devo 10 ( Buildems set up, for beginner) they both fly almost the same, the tail does seem to hold much better on the V2. I have them both tamed down for flying inside so I could not tell you what the diff is out side. Too cold and snow coverd to fly out side.
The V2 came from Bob at Helircstore.com for $139 bnf..... Inside flight I would say it was the same bird but that could just be the way I have it tweeked in for me. |
01-07-2013, 09:49 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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With tame settings I would think this bird would probably ‘feel’ the same as the original version ‘in 6x mode’.
If you were lucky enough to get a V1 bird that worked without the twitches in 6x then you were one of the few who could experience the stability that allows you to land on a spot. Maybe now you should allow (add) more head-speed and a different pitch-curve (if you don't already have one in modes 2 or 3). I really think you will see a difference in performance and still find it to be reasonably safe indoors. A pal who has had a Walkera gcp even before I got mine got his new V2 today and he agreed it is hotter than the original. That was full stock stuff too so that probably means something to those that don't like to solder etc. or switch power connectors. Thanks for the info on differences. After reading your post I found that I had mistakenly said it was longer without checking. I had been using longer booms on my original gcps just like I had with the mcpx. Not like you needed to know that. While there is a different tail rotor, I noticed that my trusty KBDD rotor works as well with my flying around as the "new" one does. I think that just means that the extra tail control and overall performance is coming from the programmers improving the firmware (on the rx) to filter the noise better and give more power to the motors etc. Sure seems like a huge improvement to me but everyone’s situation is different. Thanks again for your post. Good info! |
01-08-2013, 05:03 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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ummm do you really mean if I go V2 I would be stuck 6 axis?
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01-08-2013, 08:22 PM | #56 (permalink) |
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I have to believe to please the 3D folks that Walkera will eventually add a transmitter switch to allow you to lock the bird in 3x mode. They have the hooks to allow receiver software upgrades now and I would be surprised if they don't address this down the road.
For now though, like the new V120D02S V2, it is always in their automatic mode where it tries to be the best of both but is probably a master of neither. I do like it for indoor 2D type stuff and so does my wife, so I'm happy for now. |
01-10-2013, 12:32 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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Tweeking
spent a bit more time tweeking setting and prog. some and I was able to get the V2 to be much more stable than the orginal with out the shimmey of crankin the gyro up. Even with a new tail motor and using the V2 prop on my older Genius the tail just doesnt hold as well as the V2 unless I rudder mix. Maybe the firmwear in the new RX does a better job of mixing the throttle and rudder. I was going to tweek some more but I put the V2 into the ceiling fan and the main motor didnt like that and I dont want to stick the brushless stuff on it. parts and parts. if i put the parts in dirt and water hmmmmmm..
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01-10-2013, 02:11 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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I have a V1 and recently aquired the V2 .Although my V1 now runs a MCPX motor, and has added skids, This new version sure seems to be hopped up, very twitchy and reactive. Takes off with a pop. It also porpoises when flying fast so Think I have to turn down the gain on the elevator mixer????
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01-10-2013, 09:19 PM | #60 (permalink) | |
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First off great story... BTDT with a Ladybird at my 40th reunion in front of my class of about 50. Everything was going great and I owned the room where we were dining when suddenly I drifted over and managed to hit a ceiling fan. The poor LB was tossed across the room. Amazingly it was still flyable but my wife convinced me to have dinner instead. As for the tail... Had the same problem here. Maybe it's just Wisconsin? (grin) I'm sure it must be the firmware on the V2 that is holding the tail as well as it does on the V2. I too put a V2 tail on one of my now 'old' GCP V1s and noticed the same. No magic in the V2 tail. I also thought that besides holding the tail better, they seem to give you more power when it comes to even simple pitch pumps. It is probably just the fact that the tail is so solid on the V2 that makes me think it has more power. Let me know if you ever start to see issues where it either makes a strange noise like something is rubbing against the canopy even when it isn't or see where you fire it up and the tail is so loose that you really notice it wagging around when it should be solid, only to reboot the bird or change batteries and have the problem go away. Could just be me, but I have 2 of them now and they both do strange things like that on a very random (1-2% of the time) basis. |
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