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02-13-2013, 12:43 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Naza H and the competition
Having just bought a Naza H over the holidays I'm a bit dissapointed with the capabilities relative to some of the other flybarless controllers coming on the market. For example, both helicommand and skookum controllers support bail-out. Skookum just released a GPS based unit that has hard deck and return to home. Here's a video of a helifreak pilot putting it to the test. Impressive!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wKkPn7BHnKo#[/ame]! If DJI doesn't add some more capabilities soon, I predict the Naza H will be DOA in the heli space. Thoughts? Am I being too critical? Maybe missing something? Aaron |
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02-13-2013, 07:24 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Yes, you are missing the price SK720 + GPS will cost around 1200$.
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02-13-2013, 07:37 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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Re: Naza H and the competition
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Its unfair to compare these systems. Although similar, they are very different. Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2 |
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02-13-2013, 09:07 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Skookum is a good little company. When I say little, it means that they have few resources. The Black edition is still on the back burner, the GPS has been delayed and as far as I know they are just supporting the units that were presold. I have not seen the GPS as being readily available. I have two of the SK720's and gave up on them over a year ago. While the SK is relatively easy to set up, it is no where as easy as the DJI products.
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02-13-2013, 09:46 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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They are making the firmware cross platform for all Skookum devices so that if he makes a change to one, it makes it for all which saves time and resources for doing the updates. The GPS units are ready and will be shipping to vendors shortly. I have mine installed on my Atom 500 and received it more than 2 weeks ago. I speak with Art at Skookum regularly, as in several times a week by telephone and email. I own and sell DJI products, and I can tell you that there is a big difference in performance on helicopters right now. Skookum has far more experience in this category, and you cannot tweak the DJI in the same way you can tweak the Skookum for adjusting "flight characteristics". I'm sure DJI will improve the longer they are in it, but they're just not in the same league as Skookum on features for helis at this time. |
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02-13-2013, 10:11 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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I had been waiting for the SK Black Edition since last October but the launch got delayed and in the meanwhile I bought the Naza H instead.
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02-13-2013, 10:35 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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There was an issue with one of the components being used ... the manufacturer discontinued it without notice I'm told, which really put things behind. They chose to finish the GPS first. I personaly would have done it differently, but I'm sure there's a reason they chose to go the route they did. Anyway, I was told we'd likely see the BE towards to the end of this month if testing goes smoothly. Quote:
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02-13-2013, 12:34 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?p=4726136 Makes me wonder what DJI's reponse to this will be. They can ignore it, and essentially "kill" the Naza-H, or step up to the plate with the big boys and start playing. Competition is good
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02-13-2013, 08:10 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I agree competition is good. I want to see the real world capabilities of these controllers. Remember the hype about the Align 3G and it took a long time to figure out that the internal damping was poorly designed. Let's see who can actually perfect a great new affordable controller and let the market decide.
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02-15-2013, 11:06 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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The key word here is "affordable". Great controllers have been around for quite awhile. The only problem is you need to be at least a municipal government to afford them.
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02-16-2013, 12:26 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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Define Affordable in your world.
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02-16-2013, 01:07 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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For me, "affordable" is defined by what people are willing to pay. And what people are willing to pay is partially a function of value the the item provides relative to competetive products.
With Naza H it's feeling like things are shaping up such that one can get more bang for your buck from some of the other controllers. A bunch of the other controllers seem to be going after bailout as the primary value they provide or scenario they target. I don't get the feeling that Naza has defined it's niche, that is the thing it is best at. Aaron |
02-18-2013, 07:38 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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It depend on what you really want, if what you need is only a bail-out, then there's less expensive unit than naza-h with gps that have bail-out capabality.
If you don't need bail-out but something to stab your machine for photo/video or other, I think the naza-h price is hard to beat. If you want both, go Skookum.
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02-18-2013, 09:17 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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A product has to be both good and affordable
As I see it, the big winner in this game will always be the consumer. In particular, the person I call the "third generation consumer". Here is how I see things working. For any given r/c product, the well-funded but small in number first generation consumers will be the first to lay their money down and pay the highest price. Everybody waits for this group to deal with the first production problems and give the first operational reports. Many times, those first operational reports tend to be very good. This group always seeks the "bleeding edge". Their loyalty is strictly to the "latest and greatest".
Next comes the second generation consumer. They are larger in number than the first generation. This consumer compares the reports from the first generation consumer to existing products. These are the folks that ask the "hard questions" and discover the answers. They reverse engineer products. These are the folks that produce instructional videos and re-written accurate documentation. This group produces a lot of the online knowledge bases. Now comes the third generation. They are the largest in number. They are not risk takers like the first generation nor are they as well-funded. They don't always have the skill levels and patience of the second generation. These folks are more knowledge gatherers than knowledge creators. They ask a LOT of questions. This group is the true "target" market. This group has the greatest loyalty as repeat customers. This group is where the money is for producers. This consumer dictates what they want and what they are prepared to pay. Funny thing, the market place always responds and everyone benefits. Me? I am happily third generation. It has to be the right product at the right price before I lay my money down.
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