Inquiries on setup configurations for a E5...

[Dw87]

After reading thru a lot of posts I find myself wanting some useful suggestions for a decent 3d setup. Seems a lot of these posts are getting dated. (mid level 3d.)

I was looking at a new trex 550L and I'm now looking at the synergy e5.

Is there a motor out there that I can get good performance in both 6s and 12s with just a gear change? (Doubt it but I had to ask anyways)

In the not super expensive what 2 motors would you suggest for 6s with what gearing?

In the not super expensive what 2 motors would you suggest for 12s with what gearing?

What capacity would you run for both 6s and 12s?

Is it worthwhile to go 8s or 10s? I didn't read much about it. I'm guessing it's not worth while but would be cool since I have a lot of 4s packs.

Does the E5 like any particular fbl controller or are you finding it just personal preference?

How the E5 at aerobatic autos?

Thanks

[Frequency]

I can't speak personally for the E5 specifically but I do fly synergy products and have flown Trex and one major thing I noticed is the amount of "upgrading" the Trex needed to be up to par with synergy. The kits are very well build and need no upgrading. I did add turnbuckles which is a must have if you ask me. Now for the E5 I think you're really going to want to decide wether you want 12s or 6s and instead of getting two "ok" motors you buy one nice one and enjoy it instead of wishing it was better. From experience once you set it up 12s you won't even want to fly 6s. On my 600x (currently my only electric) I use 3200mah packs so maybe something around there or smaller. As for a FBl I fly ikon and have been very happy with it super easy to set up and if you use the Bluetooth adapter and have a small android device you can take it to the flight line land and adjust settings and take off again it doesn't get quicker than that. And it has the bail out feature that will put you in an upright stable position if you get in trouble.

[jhamel]

I find the Align helis too expensive when I account for upgrades. I have only upgraded 2 elements on my E5's; Quick UK magnetic canopy mounts on the front and turnbuckles all around. I may soon do a third upgrade; E7SE metal tail slider. Other than that, the stock E5 kit is like getting an upgraded heli.

[Chris Wall]

I believe the recommended Scorpion in the manual:

Motor Recommendation for E5 - 550 Class
6S - Scorpion 4025-1100
12S - Scorpion 4025-630
Motor Recommendations for E5s - 600 Class
10S - Scorpion 4035-630
12S - Scorpion 4035-560

I purchased one of the Savox motors (BSM5055 550KV) from Savox USA as they are 50% off ($102.49) and have had great performance with 12S configuration (2x 6S 2600mAh 45C batteries). I have the Scorpion for 6S configuration, but have been too happy with the 12S Savox to change it! It is my understanding that most using a 6S config are running 4500 - 5000 mAh packs.

It comes with 2 pinions and I think you are pretty good as long as you stay in the range of Kv the manual suggest:
Pinion Options
305-012 - E5 12T Pinion (Included)
305-013 - E5 13T Pinion (Option)
305-014 - E5 14T Pinion (Included)
305-015 - E5 15T Pinion (Option)

As far as autos are concerned, in the 550 configuration it might be a little heavy for long extend autos, but in the 600 config (with 625 blades) it is extremely light and can really float.

[LoveToFly1]

I do very similar to cwall

I have both setups in one bird, 550 and 600 (626mm)

for the 550 I run this -
Scorpion 1100KV with a 6 cell 5000ma lipo

for the 600 I run this -
Castle vertigo 530 with 12 cell 3300ma packs.

I literally keep a 550 tail boom and a 600 tail boom with boom supports and tail control rod built where all I have to do is pull the boom out and put the other one in. just put a mark on the booms so you know exactly where your tail control rod will need to be so you don't even have to adjust it...I also keep my other motor that I am not using bolted to a 2nd motor mount. so I liteally just pull a few bolts and swap it out. I leave my ESC wired for 12 cell, and use a jumper plug to make it work for 6 cell. save your ESC configuration in each setup to your desktop and you just load the one you want real quick...so simple...takes 30min to swap them out.

[Dw87]

Thanks all. I appreciate the input. I m trying to balance using 2 packs vs a single 6s pack in a power to / cost comparison.

I don't see much on people using a 10s setup. Any reason for that?

Thanks again.

[Chris Wall]

Originally Posted by Dw87

Thanks all. I appreciate the input. I m trying to balance using 2 packs vs a single 6s pack in a power to / cost comparison.

I don't see much on people using a 10s setup. Any reason for that?

Thanks again.

I definitely don't know the answer, but my assumption would be not much reuse of those packs unless you are a Logo person. Seems like most configurations today are 3, 6, 12, or 14S... Just a guess though!

[Kinger]

The e5s is great on 10s. If I'm not mistaken, Matt flew his stretched machine for quite a while on 10s power and I know a local pilot that does as well. Great power with less weight than 12s. I think the reason you don't see more guys flying 10s is because it's not really a common pack size anymore. Most guys like 6s and 12s because they either have other machines that use them or sometimes they double up their 6s packs on a 500 size model to fly 12S on a 700 size.

[Frequency]

Fbl rotors makes a sweet metal tail pitch slider bell crank that I put on my N5c tt and I love it. Makes the tail really smooth

[Dennis P]

A great and overlooked 12s motor for the E5 that is economical and performs well is the Scorpion 3536-510kv . They make this motor to fit the Trex 600 Pro . It is less money for some reason than a lot of the other Scorpion . I flew one in my Radikal and then in my E5s and was very happy with it. I ran a 13 tooth hard coat in the E5s

[Digger1973]

I have that motor and ran it on 14t. I could pull down the rpm in a hard pitch pump but it wasn't governed at that time. High torque motors can make the tail hard to tune. The 3536 had mine working nice.

[jhamel]

I use the now older version KDE600XF-1100 motor on 6S with the 14T pinion. I use the VBar governor, and mainly fly at 2400rpm. No bogging on pitch pumps.

Even though the stock length of the shaft clears a 6S 5000mah LiPo by a pinky fingerbreadth, I cut the shaft shorter to allow for more clearance and peace of mind.

This pic shows the shaft clearance with a large Turnigy 6S 40C 5000mah pack.



The shaft comes with a flat spot, but I had to create a new flat spot closer to the motor can to accommodate the pinion set screw. I did so with a Dremel grinding stone and finished it off with a file.


The mounting holes configuration allows me to use 4 bolts instead of just 2 bolts.


Other than the power, a nice thing about the KDE motors is that they do not require oiling the bearings after every 6-8 flights.

[Chris Gardill]

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

I use the now older version KDE600XF-1100 motor on 6S with the 14T pinion. I use the VBar governor, and mainly fly at 2400rpm. No bogging on pitch pumps.

Even though the stock length of the shaft clears a 6S 5000mah LiPo by a pinky fingerbreadth, I cut the shaft shorter to allow for more clearance and peace of mind.

This pic shows the shaft clearance with a large Turnigy 6S 40C 5000mah pack.



The shaft comes with a flat spot, but I had to create a new flat spot closer to the motor can to accommodate the pinion set screw. I did so with a Dremel grinding stone and finished it off with a file.


The mounting holes configuration allows me to use 4 bolts instead of just 2 bolts.


Other than the power, a nice thing about the KDE motors is that they do not require oiling the bearings after every 6-8 flights.

I'll echo the comments on the older KDE motor. Mine seems more efficient than the Scorpion 1100 that I had been running with no appreciable loss in torque. I've only got about 35 flights on the setup since changing it but I'm really happy with it so far. I'm also running mine governed at 2400 but just with the ikon governor rather than v bar.

[LoveToFly1]

I too have that KDE motor that I fly in my trex600e. I am working to aquire another E5 to keep in 550 form so I don't have to keep swapping back and forth, I will be retiring the 600E (my first big heli my father bought for me before he passed away) and will use the electronics in it for the new E5.

this motor is extremely powerful, is more efficient, as far as flight time, IMO. but I can still really tear up a 6S pack with a hard flight...lol

[Digger1973]

I think any motor with a hard flight can beat a flight pack. I want to rebuild my first E5 over the winter and leave it as a 550 and the one I am picking up tonight might be a 12 cell 550 for a bit before I think of stretching it again.

Holing to find out how well a 3536 510kv motor handles in the 550 setup on 12 cell 3300mah. It should be slow as I don't think the gearing will go much above 2285hs with a gov without losing gov performance.

[LoveToFly1]

well, what I was really referring too is I can beat the absolute crap out of my 12cell setup and the packs be just fine, do it to a 6 cell setup and the pack be hot and beginning to puff by the time its over.....I know it has a lot to do with the voltage vs. amp draw (I am not keen on electricity, I just know one is more efficient and runs cooler than the other...lol). packs seem to last longer when configured as a 12 cell setup than on a 6 cell setup.

[Chris Sexton]

Originally Posted by LoveToFly1

well, what I was really referring too is I can beat the absolute crap out of my 12cell setup and the packs be just fine, do it to a 6 cell setup and the pack be hot and beginning to puff by the time its over.....I know it has a lot to do with the voltage vs. amp draw (I am not keen on electricity, I just know one is more efficient and runs cooler than the other...lol). packs seem to last longer when configured as a 12 cell setup than on a 6 cell setup.

You are exactly right, higher voltage=lower amps. Higher Amps=higher strain on the packs.

I run my E5 556 on 12s 2600mAh packs just for the slightly longer flight time and the over all cooler running temps.