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HighFreq · 09-14-2012, 02:58 PM

Agility IS NOT expo by any meaning. Agility is more like how much you want the unit to lock the heli in position. Lower agility more locked, to certain extent the unit fights the comands a little bit, the higher the agility the more natural the feeling but less locked.

Corrado

almigurt · 09-14-2012, 04:54 PM

So its the heading hold gain?
The word agility is kinda misleading for this param in my eyes.

Does it interact with i gain which locks the Heli in some way too..?
Maye one can compare it with I-limit ?
So long

Benjamin

Otatiaro · 09-15-2012, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by almigurt

So its the heading hold gain?
The word agility is kinda misleading for this param in my eyes.

Does it interact with i gain which locks the Heli in some way too..?
Maye one can compare it with I-limit ?
So long

Benjamin

Hello,

It's not any of the other gains, it's something else we won't tell because it's part of the BRAIN IP and we don't want 50$ chinease copy of the brain, do we ?

Thomas.

almigurt · 09-15-2012, 07:36 AM

Mr Nice Guy · 09-15-2012, 12:47 PM

I believe it's more of a feel thing like Vivid on the Vbar. Does this sound right?

phranticness · 09-23-2012, 11:43 PM

Thank you, this is an excellent thread and great resource

studmoss · 09-28-2012, 03:56 AM

All,

I was trying to setup my MSH brain with my computer, and the tail servo didn't seem to operate at all. I would move the rudder stick on my dx7 and it would move the aileron servos instead?

I got worked up and was trying to rebind .,and update my brain, and now....it won't even power up!!! No red and green lights at all!!

Please help!! I tried to do the recovery technique by pushing the 2 middle pins together as desribed ...that didn't help!!! I am so frustrated!!!

alexf1852 · 09-28-2012, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studmoss

All,

I was trying to setup my MSH brain with my computer, and the tail servo didn't seem to operate at all. I would move the rudder stick on my dx7 and it would move the aileron servos instead?

I got worked up and was trying to rebind .,and update my brain, and now....it won't even power up!!! No red and green lights at all!!

Please help!! I tried to do the recovery technique by pushing the 2 middle pins together as desribed ...that didn't help!!! I am so frustrated!!!

Your post isn't related to this thread. Please create a new thread and we'll try to help there.

mikewheel · 09-30-2012, 02:08 PM

Ok so in ff flight, hands free straight flight! But small slow wag. What gain should i try?

mikewheel · 09-30-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikewheel

Ok so in ff flight, hands free straight flight! But small slow wag. What gain should i try?

Elevator wag.... Really small and slow

Mr Nice Guy · 09-30-2012, 03:14 PM

If it's kind of porpoising in FFF lower the I gain on the elevator.

desertstalker · 09-30-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Nice Guy

If it's kind of porpoising in FFF lower the I gain on the elevator.

+1

Slow wag is usually I gain, fast wag is P.

IT gets more complicated when you add the D gain in as that can somewhat compensate for higher I gain. So try D gain as well if lowering I does not work, or causes poor performance.

mikewheel · 10-02-2012, 04:48 PM

Lowering cause poor performance and don't cure the wag....what do i do with the d gain........ Lower....higher

almigurt · 10-02-2012, 05:02 PM

What are your other p i d settings?

"poor performance" with i gain to low would mean non consistent roll-rate on elev and climbing in fff

If you fff in with the nose in the wind and the wag increases, you'd lower p gain.

Increasing D would reduce p overshooting in some cases, but it could also increase vibtation issues.

rino2 · 10-08-2012, 10:34 AM

Any news about the UNUFFICIAL manual??????

rino2 · 10-09-2012, 10:40 AM

Fabien???!!!!! Are you still HERE?????

Rino

almigurt · 10-09-2012, 12:45 PM

Please don't forget that some people may still have a real life...

rino2 · 10-09-2012, 12:50 PM

You are absolutelly right... but the first post is dated 12-08-2012..... also.. I don't forget that Fabien have no relation with MSH ... but you know..... a Guide to Program is really usefull

GRIMX · 10-09-2012, 01:05 PM

I am sure they are working on it! and soon they will release it, the time they spend keeping us updated on the progress would be time subtracted from the work to get it done and delivered.

godjc · 10-11-2012, 02:04 AM

More parameters for governor :

https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...16&postcount=6

This is part of the advanced instruction we will have in the next software release, hope it helps:

Ramp up: “This parameter sets the speed at which governor goes from a slower to a faster target speed. Lower values make the transition slower while higher values make the transition faster

Ramp down: “This parameter sets the speed at which the governor goes from a faster to a slower target speed (for example, going from speed 2 2000 rpm to speed 1 1800 rpm). Lower values make the transition slower, higher values make the transition faster

Spool up ramp: This is the speed at which the unit increases speed during soft start, before the governor engages. Higher values make the soft start faster, while lower values make the soft start slower

Corrado

09-14-2012, 02:58 PM	#61 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Join Date: May 2004	Agility IS NOT expo by any meaning. Agility is more like how much you want the unit to lock the heli in position. Lower agility more locked, to certain extent the unit fights the comands a little bit, the higher the agility the more natural the feeling but less locked. Corrado __________________ www.msheli.com

09-15-2012, 07:36 AM	#64 (permalink)
almigurt Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2012	Nay

09-23-2012, 11:43 PM	#66 (permalink)
phranticness Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2011	Thank you, this is an excellent thread and great resource Last edited by phranticness; 09-25-2012 at 10:48 AM..

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studmoss Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2012	Help with my MSH brain!! All, I was trying to setup my MSH brain with my computer, and the tail servo didn't seem to operate at all. I would move the rudder stick on my dx7 and it would move the aileron servos instead? I got worked up and was trying to rebind .,and update my brain, and now....it won't even power up!!! No red and green lights at all!! Please help!! I tried to do the recovery technique by pushing the 2 middle pins together as desribed ...that didn't help!!! I am so frustrated!!!

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09-14-2012, 04:54 PM	#62 (permalink)
almigurt Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2012	So its the heading hold gain? The word agility is kinda misleading for this param in my eyes. Does it interact with i gain which locks the Heli in some way too..? Maye one can compare it with I-limit ? So long Benjamin

09-15-2012, 12:47 PM	#65 (permalink)
Mr Nice Guy Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2007	I believe it's more of a feel thing like Vivid on the Vbar. Does this sound right?

09-30-2012, 02:08 PM	#69 (permalink)
mikewheel Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2009	Ok so in ff flight, hands free straight flight! But small slow wag. What gain should i try?

09-30-2012, 03:14 PM	#71 (permalink)
Mr Nice Guy Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2007	If it's kind of porpoising in FFF lower the I gain on the elevator.

10-02-2012, 04:48 PM	#73 (permalink)
mikewheel Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2009	Lowering cause poor performance and don't cure the wag....what do i do with the d gain........ Lower....higher

10-02-2012, 05:02 PM	#74 (permalink)
almigurt Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2012	What are your other p i d settings? "poor performance" with i gain to low would mean non consistent roll-rate on elev and climbing in fff If you fff in with the nose in the wind and the wag increases, you'd lower p gain. Increasing D would reduce p overshooting in some cases, but it could also increase vibtation issues.

10-08-2012, 10:34 AM	#75 (permalink)
rino2 Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011	Any news about the UNUFFICIAL manual??????

10-09-2012, 10:40 AM	#76 (permalink)
rino2 Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011	Fabien???!!!!! Are you still HERE????? Rino

10-09-2012, 12:45 PM	#77 (permalink)
almigurt Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2012	Please don't forget that some people may still have a real life...

10-09-2012, 12:50 PM	#78 (permalink)
rino2 Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011	You are absolutelly right... but the first post is dated 12-08-2012..... also.. I don't forget that Fabien have no relation with MSH ... but you know..... a Guide to Program is really usefull

10-09-2012, 01:05 PM	#79 (permalink)
GRIMX Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2012	I am sure they are working on it! and soon they will release it, the time they spend keeping us updated on the progress would be time subtracted from the work to get it done and delivered.

10-11-2012, 02:04 AM	#80 (permalink)
godjc Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2009	More parameters for governor : https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...16&postcount=6 This is part of the advanced instruction we will have in the next software release, hope it helps: Ramp up: “This parameter sets the speed at which governor goes from a slower to a faster target speed. Lower values make the transition slower while higher values make the transition faster Ramp down: “This parameter sets the speed at which the governor goes from a faster to a slower target speed (for example, going from speed 2 2000 rpm to speed 1 1800 rpm). Lower values make the transition slower, higher values make the transition faster Spool up ramp: This is the speed at which the unit increases speed during soft start, before the governor engages. Higher values make the soft start faster, while lower values make the soft start slower Corrado

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