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fulcrum2 · 03-17-2013, 03:22 AM

Hi there,

just practicing autos on the sim and wondering about one thing. This is not related to show autos, it should address emergeny landings in case of power loss.
Well, very often we fly in circular patterns and I am doing very well when the heli is coming towards me. I can land in front of me 9 out of ten times.
Now, if the heli is flying away from me, I am not sure what the best way is. Would you try to set it down far away from you (and risk a tip-over at touchdown b/c you cannot see the heli well) or would you turn it around and sacrifice precious head speed?

Any thoughts? Many thanks and so long, Stefan

ColinSouthern · 03-17-2013, 04:43 AM

I'd try to do what Nick Maxwell did ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfD-MyRFyaQ

fulcrum2 · 03-17-2013, 05:19 AM

even Berty was impressed...

Steve Graham · 03-17-2013, 03:46 PM

I think the most important thing is getting it established into whatever wind exists on a proper glide path. As long as you avoid the biggest and hardest of obstacles and arrive at a fixed, WRT the ground, hover with any head speed at all you should have a very low chance of doing any damage even if the heli tips over.

Herculean efforts to get the heli back to an unreachable LZ are a sure way to wind up with a free falling heli

Boinker · 03-17-2013, 08:44 PM

Turn on flight failures on the sIm such as engine failure. And make them a sometimes to happen. That way its a real emergency and accurate to what happens in real real flight. I had a flight failure in the Im the other day. It went fine this time but in the past it hasn't. See if this helps you out.

fulcrum2 · 03-18-2013, 04:39 AM

Thanks a lot for the feedback Steve and Boinker

trained a bit more on the sim and it really did not work well trying to bring the heli back if the trajectory was leadin away from me. As Steve said, most of the time I ran out of headspeed and could not control the touchdown.
So I would conclude it is all about damage control / risk management. It seems to be better bringing the heli down in a controlled way and maybe risk a tipover or broken skids.

So long chaps!

RogerRabit · 03-18-2013, 04:01 PM

In the reality you do not have the chance to plan.
There is a certain rotor energy and you have to keep a path towards earth.

The higher you are, the more chances you have and can decide.

When you are far away you do it on instinct and set it down with a medium descending speed hoping that the terrain there is about level.

Badest autorots are into terrain you do not see.

03-17-2013, 03:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
fulcrum2 Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2009	Emergency autos Hi there, just practicing autos on the sim and wondering about one thing. This is not related to show autos, it should address emergeny landings in case of power loss. Well, very often we fly in circular patterns and I am doing very well when the heli is coming towards me. I can land in front of me 9 out of ten times. Now, if the heli is flying away from me, I am not sure what the best way is. Would you try to set it down far away from you (and risk a tip-over at touchdown b/c you cannot see the heli well) or would you turn it around and sacrifice precious head speed? Any thoughts? Many thanks and so long, Stefan

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03-17-2013, 04:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
ColinSouthern Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2012	I'd try to do what Nick Maxwell did ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfD-MyRFyaQ

03-17-2013, 05:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
fulcrum2 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Nov 2009	even Berty was impressed...

03-17-2013, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Graham Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008	I think the most important thing is getting it established into whatever wind exists on a proper glide path. As long as you avoid the biggest and hardest of obstacles and arrive at a fixed, WRT the ground, hover with any head speed at all you should have a very low chance of doing any damage even if the heli tips over. Herculean efforts to get the heli back to an unreachable LZ are a sure way to wind up with a free falling heli

03-17-2013, 08:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Boinker Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2013	Turn on flight failures on the sIm such as engine failure. And make them a sometimes to happen. That way its a real emergency and accurate to what happens in real real flight. I had a flight failure in the Im the other day. It went fine this time but in the past it hasn't. See if this helps you out.

03-18-2013, 04:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
fulcrum2 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Nov 2009	Thanks a lot for the feedback Steve and Boinker trained a bit more on the sim and it really did not work well trying to bring the heli back if the trajectory was leadin away from me. As Steve said, most of the time I ran out of headspeed and could not control the touchdown. So I would conclude it is all about damage control / risk management. It seems to be better bringing the heli down in a controlled way and maybe risk a tipover or broken skids. So long chaps!

03-18-2013, 04:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
RogerRabit Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2012	In the reality you do not have the chance to plan. There is a certain rotor energy and you have to keep a path towards earth. The higher you are, the more chances you have and can decide. When you are far away you do it on instinct and set it down with a medium descending speed hoping that the terrain there is about level. Badest autorots are into terrain you do not see.

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