Is wild too much

[Robg68]

I have a mild kit and love it but would like a little more punch, would a wild motor be too much for a small apartment and a new pilot? Could I just limit the throttle curve to tame it indoors?

[65L88]

Originally Posted by Robg68

I have a mild kit and love it but would like a little more punch, would a wild motor be too much for a small apartment and a new pilot? Could I just limit the throttle curve to tame it indoors?

I don't think it would be too much, just play with the throttle curves until you like it. Be aware that you'll likely lose a little efficiency with lower curves, but the governor works wonders keeping efficiency up with lower curves as compared to an ungoverned setup. I like my wild setup a lot more than the mild, which seemed to have about the same or just a tiny bit more power than the stock motor. And all it took was soldering the wild motor in place of the mild one and resetting the throttle curves.

[profilefan]

In my opinion better to have more power and you can just tweak it to your liking.

Besides adjusting the throttle curves you can also add expo and adjust the dual rate so it is not as twitchy or fast if you are still learning.

I'm in Queens also if you ever want to check out a dbl bl wild nano cpx let me know

[Robg68]

Where do you fly?

[profilefan]

Originally Posted by Robg68

Where do you fly?

At home, or in the backyard

Sometimes Kissena park, and Cunningham park.

[rollinthunder13]

Originally Posted by 65L88

I don't think it would be too much, just play with the throttle curves until you like it. Be aware that you'll likely lose a little efficiency with lower curves, but the governor works wonders keeping efficiency up with lower curves as compared to an ungoverned setup. I like my wild setup a lot more than the mild, which seemed to have about the same or just a tiny bit more power than the stock motor. And all it took was soldering the wild motor in place of the mild one and resetting the throttle curves.

I too am considering the switch from mild too wild,and was wondering what batteries you were using when you made the switch,and also am i to assume the the original "pjack" brushless contorler capable of handling the wild power plant.
Thanks in advance for any help.

[Guapo131]

I ran with the wild setup for a little bit (a few weeks). I was running the Oversky 200mAh 35C batteries with the governed TC at 78% (or somewhere around there… could have been 76%). Anyways, that was way too fast for me. Sometimes I thought that heli was going to tear itself apart (i.e. the head speed was so fast). It obviously had a little bit of vibes, but I would take the FS out and it rolled flat/clean and the blades were balanced with blade tracking perfectly also. It didn’t actually tear itself apart, it was just really really fast head speed. The bird had tons of power for maneuvers (even at 78%TC), but it would run the batteries down very quick (lower power after 2min, then you would want to set her down by 3min). I would be very afraid to go above 80%TC as suggested by AD’s setup/installation page. Oh, also, my tail would blow out more (farther) and more often with the wild motor. Kinda unpredictable when the tail would blow out, i.e. it would hold on pitch pumps, but not on other maneuvers.

Also, the head speed is so fast any crash indoors will absolutely tear stuff up (furniture & heli). Don’t even think about accidentally hitting yourself with the blades (did that a couple times with the stock brushed – it hurt, but no problems; if you hit yourself with the wild, you will bleed). Also, all my crashes with the wild in the backyard (grass), if you don’t hit TH in time, it “immediately” wears down a tooth on the main gear. I went thru a bunch of main gears in my short time on the wild. So for me, switching to the wild defeated the purpose of the nano, which is to have something that I can fly indoors, and if it crashes, there is no damage (or very very little). And I know this is possible, because I do it with my mild setup.

Also, I tried running at 68% TC, but it really didn’t like that. The tail would blow out like crazy. Basically, it seemed that it was just pulling so much Amps at the low speed, it was starving everything else. It seems that it NEEDS to run at a higher %TC. Also, AD’s setup instructions say the wild motor likes >80%, so 68% is way off from that.

I will also concede (admit my test wasn’t completely fair) that it is basically suggested everywhere to use bigger batteries (like the glacier 250 mAh or the hyperion 240’s, or mpcx 300’s), but never got that far. I just didn’t like the way it flew. I went back to mild. Mild has plenty of power for me (72%TC).


...Oh, and yes, i used the XP3A that comes with the mild kit. The question was asked elsewhere and basically everybody seemed to say that the XP3A will work with the wild.

[NCcraig]

The XP3A BLHeli settings are the same for both the mild and wild motor.

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[Robg68]

I switched to the wild motor a few weeks ago, I like the way it flies but it does draw blood now. I get good flight times with the glacier 250 batteries.

[chardur]

I wish there was a motor inbetween the mild and wild. Something like 14,500 kv or 15,000. Any one know of other brushless motor options?

[NCcraig]

Originally Posted by chardur

I wish there was a motor inbetween the mild and wild. Something like 14,500 kv or 15,000. Any one know of other brushless motor options?

Why? Just get a wild motor and run a lower flat throttle curve.

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[chardur]

Originally Posted by NCcraig

Why? Just get a wild motor and run a lower flat throttle curve.

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Guapo was saying even at a 78% curve it seemed too fast. I'll probably get a wild and try it, but it would be nice to have one in the middle.

[NCcraig]

Originally Posted by chardur

Guapo was saying even at a 78% curve it seemed too fast. I'll probably get a wild and try it, but it would be nice to have one in the middle.

That is the beauty of an ESC flashed with the BLHeli code. You can tame down a higher kV motor to respond like a lesser motor and then crank it up for all it's worth. If 78% is too fast, turn it down until it is more suitable. You also save money in changing out motor once you progress to something faster. And you will.

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[Guapo131]

First, I would say that I trust NCcraig’s opinion over mine. He know’s his stuff.

Second, I’ll clarify my previous post. 78% throttle gave me a head speed that was too fast for ME. I can definitely see how people would like their head speeds that fast and prefer them that way – maybe even faster than 78%. It was just too fast for me.

Third, I’m not sure that you can tame down a wild ALLLL the way. What I mean is that I ran the wild at 68% throttle and it didn’t respond right. Basically, if I were to provide my conjecture on what was happening: The head speed was probably about the speed I liked it in hover (a little faster than my mild setup), but when I would punch it, the motor would bog and TBO - like the higher KV motor would require way more Amps than the ESC/Main board/battery/wires could deliver. You would think that the Wild motor tamed way down would have a lot of “headroom” for the governor to help, but it just couldn’t do it (TBO and bogging). But also, my setup wasn’t a completely fair comparison (not the recommended batteries).

Chardur, I say get the wild and try out the headspeeds. 78% technically “worked” for me (just not my preference), and 68% didn’t work on my heli. You might be OK with 78%. Heck, some people like it even faster than that. Or if 78% is too fast, you might be OK with 73%. And the future benefit is that when you want the additional headspeed, you can just change the TC setting in your TX and bam: instant upgrade (what NCcraig said).

[daveapplemotors]

Yesterday I played with headspeed on a wild nano. 85 % and above got me 96 or 97Hz (5700RPM) and 75% throttle got 94Hz (5600 RPM). At 72% throttle the little guy slowed to 84Hz (5000 RPM) and 70% netted 74Hz (4400 RPM)

The ratio (% throttle : RPM) is not linear.