How to practice piro tic-tocs the correct way?

[AdrianXD]

I know that upon practicing piro tic tocs, one should be efficient in doing 4 point tic tocs. But the real struggle is, how to practice the piro tic tocs the correct way. I know this will take awhile to fully learn the maneuver. But I'm determined to learn it little by little.

[ryanha]

This was a quite tricky move for me to learn, and I had to go at it a few times and leave it a few times over the course of 6 months until I was to the point where I made good enough progress to keep at it. Now I do them skids in and skids out and I can reverse them (left rudder to right rudder and back). Though I am still doing them 2-3 mistakes high at the field

The trick that got me over the hump at first was learning to do them really slowly and not trying to stir much at first. I first learned them with the initial tic being back-elevator starting with the heli nose out. Some people do them the other way (starting nose in and doing fw elevator). Once you learn one way, it actually becomes easy to do the other ones (including starting nose left / nose right), so I'll just describe it the one way.

Start with nose out & backwards elevator. Once the heli is at an angle (say 30-45 degrees), do a 180 piro. Now you will be at the same angle but tail up. Instead of trying to stir with the piro, wait until you are at 180 degrees and do a quick back-elevator and now you will be nose down with the disk angled away from you. Do a 180 degree piro, then the nose will be up with the disk angled away from you and do another back elevator and you will be nose up with the disk angled towards you. Going slow like this it should feel more like a quick stab on the elevator vs. a stir. Doing 1/2 piro per tic/toc transition means that you are always using back-elevator for the angle transitions. Eventually as you speed it up you will naturally give a small amount of stir, but the elevator transition is still more of a quick one than a gradual one like on a piro flip.

Another thing to practice is doing 4-pt tic tocs, but instead of just doing the piro on the "tic", do a 1/4 piro each time you transition collective. So if you start nose out and do back elevator, do a 1/4 piro and do your aileron transition, then when you are nose right with the disk angled away, do another 1/4 turn then FW elevator, and so on. These are super tricky, but definitely helps learn doing minor corrections while pirouetting during tic tocs.

Hope that helps!

--Ryan

[nard712136]

You need to practice and master the 4 point tictoc.
Also another type of Piro tictoc is pirouetting rainbow but tight or narrower.

[LoveToFly1]

i do mine with a quarter stir. not a half stir. that makes them faster.