Why Kontronik? What is so good about them? I'm not in the loop

[Justin Stuart]

Germanenglish? That's funny.

Yes, the manual is a little bit intimidating. But Kontronik has taken a major interest in improved customer service lately. I would not be surprised if we saw a new manual soon.

[dl7uae]

Germenglish

Haha
How good is your Engerman?

By using a slider the Rx can be operated independently from the Tx. use the slider to program the JIVE to Heli-Mode.

A question old as the hills.. coming up again and again.
Just look.

They know the manual problems..
But: Never change a printed manual. Ever copy from it.

[Dr.Ben]

One reason why manuals to English are sometimes problematic is that they are dealing with a language that has such ridiculous rules as THREE words which sound exactly the same and mean totally different things (to, two, and too or they're, there, and their) and easily confused nouns and verbs like Effect and Affect. Hell, Amercuns screw it up totally every day on these very forums.

Ben Minor

[SkyRaptor]

Ben, believe me, English is pretty straight forward compared to other languages like German, Spanish, Portuguese (my native language), French and so on..

Anyway, Kontronik should hire some professional translator to get the job done.

Best Regards.

Alex.

[dl7uae]

Hmm..
English and German are quite similar, but not identical.
Foreign language is foreign language...
But it is really not easy to find a technically sufficiently pre-exposed translator.

[Groucho_]

Originally Posted by dl7uae

But it is really not easy to find a technically sufficiently pre-exposed translator.

The United Nations and the European Parliament have quite a few...

[Justin Stuart]

Shawn wrote this post a few years ago on how to program a Jazz. I still refer to it from time to time:

https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=51581

[SkyRaptor]

Originally Posted by dl7uae

Hmm..
English and German are quite similar, but not identical.

Are you serious Tom?? English and German are both foreign to me.. and German is way more difficult.. I don't know if German is your native language, but those declination drove me crazy.. And what about those "trennbaren Verbs"?!?!?! Why the hell should the first part be placed in the end of the phrase??? Nevermind, just kidding

About the translators, I'm quite sure you could write a pretty much better English manual than that.It's not hard to find someone to do something better than that.

Alex.

[Greg Alderman]

From what I understand, Charles Anderson of Kontronik USA is heading up this project and there will be newly written English versions of the manuals sometime in the future.

[dl7uae]

English and German are quite similar

The proof:

Otto Waalkes: English for advanced learners (or: English for Runaways)

Otto Waalkes - Englisch (für Fortgeschrittene) (2 min 24 sec)

[Justin Stuart]

Who is Charles Anderson?

[dl7uae]

Kontronik News October 17

[KONTRONIK]

Originally Posted by Justin Stuart

Who is Charles Anderson?

As of August, Mr. Charles Anderson has assumed the responsibilities as Director of Sales and Marketing in the USA. Mr. Anderson will work with the dealers and distributors as well as establish and coordinate a KONTRONIK flight team. READY HELI will continue as a distributor, but no longer exclusively. American KONTRONIK dealers will be contacted by Mr. Anderson to personally inform them of the exciting future of KONTRONIK USA.

This announcement was fogotten in time, so a little bit late.

[Justin Stuart]

Thanks for the information on Mr. Charles Anderson.

This is exciting news too:

Service Center USA open

1th January 2013 the Service Center USA opens. Ball bearings and shaft repair will be done for PYRO motors now directly in the USA. JIVE software update will be done in close future.

The adress is:

KONTRONIK USA Service
PO Box 5
Oakville, IN 47367

[Raggedyman]

Originally Posted by dl7uae

The proof:

Otto Waalkes: English for advanced learners (or: English for Runaways)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFa0T0PmKxk

Oh my God,
Oma Gott,

I had no idea. That man is really funny.
Ich hatte keinen Ausweis. Batman ist wirklich komisch.

So the abc of the ESC is still in need of improvement, to make the governor best understandable.
So braucht das ABC des Drehzahltstellers noch weitere Verbesserung, damit der Governeur das bestens verstehen kann. Oder mußte der beste Regler noch besser zu verstehen sein?

So for example, the new programming modules make the ESC paramatizable.
Das bedeutet zu X Ampeln, das neue Program Module das ganze parametrisierbar machen.

The Progdisc or the cell phone app. assist with this process.
Die Rock Disko Musik oder das Zellophan ab und zu, es ist im Prozess, hätten die ESC aufmuntern sollen unter allen 3D Bedingungen. Darüber streiten die Anwälte sich jetzt.

Excuse me, I know German is longer than English, but no fair, what did you really say?

Selbstverständlich, the misunderstanding of the translation caused users to wrap their ESC in cellophane for extra protection and crashed the heli during hard 3D listening to Rock and Disco music. Darum knallt es jetzt leider.

I see.
Was friert?

It was really not necessary and the other commercial we agree with: It is so simple to program a caveman can do it.
Es war wirklich nicht notwendig und wir stimmen mit der anderen Werbung überein: Es ist so einfach im Program sogar ein KV-Mann kennt es zu tun (KV gleich Kilo-Volt).

Oh really?
Schaurig? Was meinst Du?

No, not eerily, but really.
So, nicht schaurig, sondern eine Kippenrolle?

No, not a butt reel, just the reality.
Ach so, es handelt sich um Wirklichkeit!

Yes, about Fliegenvergnügen! Das ist fun flying.

So, genug enough of this runaway ramble! Alles Gute! See ya!

Bon Jovi - Runaway (4 min 19 sec)

[Bimbo]

OK guys, back on topic (with a Dutch guy ).

Originally Posted by ModelGuard

Your correct in your calculations, but what you are forgetting is that a good Fbl gov like the Skookums line, will have control of the collective as well as throttle.
Take the scenario where a pilot asks for such an increase in collective that the motor starts to bog. The Esc based gov will instantly increase throttle to max, but the motor will bog because of the collective demands. The fbl based gov on the other hand, will increase the throttle to max also maybe slightly more delayed, and will decrease collective to the point where the motor is about to bog and then increase collective back up as the motor speeds stabilises.
The effect of this is because the motor is not allowed to bog a climb out with a fbl gov will infact be faster.
I have helis fitted with jives and helis fitted with fbl govs, I have experimented with this and once the flight batteries are past their peak performance during a flight the difference in a full punchout is quite noticeably better in a fbl system.
I dont use Vbars so I cannot vouch for their system.

This is interesting! I've had it once on my 450, when I still used a 3GX, the cyclic pitch range was set to max and I was using wide chord blades (SpinBlade asymmetricals). I did a flip and the motor bogged... and had a blade stall and a crash. I was running a V curve at the time, no governor.

However, changing the (cyclic) pitch to prevent the motor from bogging too much is awesome! You'll be able to keep control. Obviously, this should be something you may program and alter yourself, that would be awesome. For example, the headspeed is not allowed to go below a certain threshold that you can set. Does the Skookum do that?