Arrrggghhh! So frustrated

[Scott1115]

I cannot seem to get the hang of inverted. I've been practicing nose forward.

I can hover fairly well in all orientations inverted. Usually, I can fly a horizontal box and a vertical box in all orientations except tail in. Not the prettiest, but controlled. I can flip it inverted ad go across the field and make minor corrections.

When I try to "fly" inverted I cannot turn and remain in control. I cannot maintain constant altitude, a constant mild bank, nor a constant arc to the turn. I attempt to correct as I am flying, but it's pathetic. CCW is marginally better than CW.

I've tried to break it down and compare it to normal forward flight. I bank the heli, add tail, bleed off aileron and add elevator (forward, to bring nose into the turn), but it is just ridiculous. I just cannot get it to work.

So freak'n aggravated. Just don't know what else to do.

[ArchmageAU]

Originally Posted by Scott1115

I cannot seem to get the hang of inverted. I've been practicing nose forward.

I can hover fairly well in all orientations inverted. Usually, I can fly a horizontal box and a vertical box in all orientations except tail in. Not the prettiest, but controlled. I can flip it inverted ad go across the field and make minor corrections.

When I try to "fly" inverted I cannot turn and remain in control. I cannot maintain constant altitude, a constant mild bank, nor a constant arc to the turn. I attempt to correct as I am flying, but it's pathetic. CCW is marginally better than CW.

I've tried to break it down and compare it to normal forward flight. I bank the heli, add tail, bleed off aileron and add elevator (forward, to bring nose into the turn), but it is just ridiculous. I just cannot get it to work.

So freak'n aggravated. Just don't know what else to do.

This just takes some time and practice.

With inverted flying, the heli will "slip" more as you are balancing it. Any wrong correction gets amplified. Inverted you must be AHEAD of the corrections (and over-emphasize them). Being behind and not correcting enough will get you every time. In inverted circles and turns, lead with the tail and ensure the tail keeps moving.

Since you can hover inverted pretty well, start VERY slow (how are inverted piros?). If you can fly a very slow inverted circle hovering, slowly, very slowly increase it's speed. Fall back to inverted hover any time you mess up. (Practice bail-out).

Read through the Lessons 8 and 9 of "From tail-in to all 8s and funnels in 6 months" (https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=531380). Also look up ChadRG flying.

Sim is your best friend in getting the hang of these. Then take it to the field.

Hope this all helps.

[clicky]

Originally Posted by ArchmageAU

Since you can hover inverted pretty well, start VERY slow (how are inverted piros?). If you can fly a very slow inverted circle hovering, slowly, very slowly increase it's speed. Fall back to inverted hover any time you mess up. (Practice bail-out).

Spot on!

Originally Posted by ArchmageAU

Sim is your best friend in getting the hang of these. Then take it to the field.

+1!

[Scott1115]

Thanks folks

[gstoneberg]

Just so you know OP, you're not alone. I do OK flying forward inverted, but have recently begun working in earnest (in the sim) on tail first inverted. O my, I suck. Every thing I try to do is wrong. Well, I usually get the ailerons right, but the rudder and elevator inputs I make are nearly always dead wrong and I crash so many times it gets embarrassing...even though nobody's watching. I've started spending as much time inverted as I can handle each sim flight. Also working hard on inverted 8pt hovering. I'll get it but it is sure a struggle for me.

Hang in there, we'll get there.

George

[RogerRabit]

Backward inverted is the easiest ( if you have the pitch inverted in your brain already ), you look at the tail and fly the chopper with the same stick inputs like forward but you steer allways to where you NOT want to go.

With that Mnenonic it is easy to learn.

keep the disc low at the beginning.

I learned it long, long ago, when there was only HH non rate gyros and paddles.

it is a lot more fun to fly inverted backwards with such a machine...
the sims where not so realistic that time.