Brand New Products from Kontronik

[jcflyer]

So when is the official date of release forthis new ESC?

[jstalnaker70]

Originally Posted by jcflyer

So when is the official date of release forthis new ESC?

Looks like world of Heli already has them.

[dl7uae]

WOH always have them before the manufacturer knows about..

[jamin_00]

Originally Posted by jstalnaker70

Looks like world of Heli already has them.

They would only be listed but defo not in stock The Jive Pro that is.

[MarkH]

They don't have any. It's shows them as "ordered".

[mkovalcson]

So are they thinking about adding logging support to the Koby lineup?

Currently for smaller ESC's there are NONE that offer this.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by mkovalcson

What I've found is that people who prefer an external governor over Kontroniks built in governor don't actually care if the headspeed is perfectly smooth.

What they are looking for is to goose the motor when they give it hard collective input which they like the feel of even though it results in overrevving the motor a bit. That requires knowing what the pilot is doing, but is not being done in the name of keeping a constant headspeed.

Personally I like the simplicity of leaving it up to the Kontronik governor. I get a perfect spin up and solid headspeeds with no tweaking required. The secret sauce is very good!

External governor tweaking is easy, easier and far easier to prove better results over internal tweaking of the PID loop of the Konny. I applaud K for finally bringing a HV Bec into play as this was suggested years ago and some of the new tech stuff is cool to. I do however think not having mode 8 was a very bad decision. The difference you can see in the tail between the best disc load governor which is Kontroniks compared to an external governor which is load and axis dependent along with own tuning ability is night and day. The difference is ability to tune "initial catch" and reaction time. I for years was internal only, even when external came out I didn't bother for near a year. Then I tried it and suffice to say it is night and day and easy to see and feel the difference. I don't suspect anyone to believe or know this unless they had two same models setup same in front of then or did a swap of escs and approaches to see and understand this. That's what it took for me to know for fact the differences anyhow.

Nice to see things progressing but I wouldn't toss my Helijive for the Pro just for the bec and tech and lose mode 8, nope.

[Wh1teAfr1can]

Originally Posted by OICU812

External governor tweaking is easy, easier and far easier to prove better results over internal tweaking of the PID loop of the Konny. I applaud K for finally bringing a HV Bec into play as this was suggested years ago and some of the new tech stuff is cool to. I do however think not having mode 8 was a very bad decision. The difference you can see in the tail between the best disc load governor which is Kontroniks compared to an external governor which is load and axis dependent along with own tuning ability is night and day. The difference is ability to tune "initial catch" and reaction time. I for years was internal only, even when external came out I didn't bother for near a year. Then I tried it and suffice to say it is night and day and easy to see and feel the difference. I don't suspect anyone to believe or know this unless they had two same models setup same in front of then or did a swap of escs and approaches to see and understand this. That's what it took for me to know for fact the differences anyhow.

Nice to see things progressing but I wouldn't toss my Helijive for the Pro just for the bec and tech and lose mode 8, nope.

It has the same govenor as the Kosmik now which makes it much easier to adjust your tail to match it. I personally do not like the massive overspeed of the V-bar govenor trying to preempt a hard collective change.

[nuroo]

found this link:
TelMe Spektrum
Order # 9780


Any updates?

[Wh1teAfr1can]

Originally Posted by nuroo

found this link:
TelMe Spektrum
Order # 9780


Any updates?

What I have heard is they should be hitting shelves end of this month beginning of next.

[nuroo]

Ok everything I saw reffered to multiplex, Futaba and Graupner.Nothing about the spektrum module

I have a dx9. So I hope your right.

[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Wh1teAfr1can

It has the same govenor as the Kosmik now which makes it much easier to adjust your tail to match it. I personally do not like the massive overspeed of the V-bar govenor trying to preempt a hard collective change.

To clarify I've had a few Kosmics and currently a few pilots nearby that have them so in my speaking I was including the Kosmic. Is the Kosmics governor better then Jives? Yes

Better then external governor control in regards to tail control? NO And this includes comparing all other competitors internal governors to.

Disc load over speeding or pause catch delay does not create instability to either cyclic or tail on no motor load condition, however on demand portion aggressive initial catch is however more noticeable. What you explain "pre empted"!is collective dynamic it's an adjustment is all and is none present when done, only time I'll see vbar gov over speed is when I make it from a huge dive to near zero collective not a single other time otherwise. While I would understand how audibly one could be concerned with catch delay or over speed the stability and being able to maintain nose and tail direction during quick collective changes and piro reversals the audible sound is nothing to be concerned of at all, again it takes a lot when adjusted to ever even hear it. In basic flight simple flight without quick and hard disc load changes these symptoms of tail may never be seen or concerning but in more advanced flight these are very noticeable when trying to place the mass of Heli in specific locations.

I'm not here to bash, I like Kontronik was a rep for years long before K USA existed and all you current K peeps, met with Kontrath and the entire gang years ago to, flew my first K controllers on Nicad 10 cell Nicads on a Logo 10.

I'm simply saying IMO removing mode 8 was a mistake because I have seen the benefits of this mode. But that's Germans they don't want to share with other Germans believe me I know....

[helicraze]

Im now finding the HV BECs with todays servos you should always use buffer pack

[Voyager]

Any update on availability of the new Pro ESC's ?

[jamin_00]

No update.

Keep checking the Facebook page as this is where you will hear this officially first

https://www.facebook.com/pages/KONTR...26153414275606

[Wizza]

It's been a while. So who's using a new jive pro and how do you like it..?

[Wizza]

And has anyone tried the new jive pro with a logtel unit yet..?

Edit: actually, looking around the net, can't find (stock avail) logtel units anywhere. Are they not released/available yet..?

[Vinger]

Originally Posted by Wizza

It's been a while. So who's using a new jive pro and how do you like it..?

It is not in the class of the HJ or PJ, shuts down at the first sign of more than 150A, so it has become a 600 size max ESC. BEC is HV, but always boots up with very erratic voltages which can confuse certain FBL controllers, not worth the money, get the Kosmik 160 if you plan on running it on a 700.

[Wh1teAfr1can]

Originally Posted by Vinger

It is not in the class of the HJ or PJ, shuts down at the first sign of more than 150A, so it has become a 600 size max ESC. BEC is HV, but always boots up with very erratic voltages which can confuse certain FBL controllers, not worth the money, get the Kosmik 160 if you plan on running it on a 700.

Not sure about the voltage it just starts at 5.6 and then goes to whatever you have programmed after it initializes. there is only one fbl unit (bavarion demon) that i know of that cant handle this and it seems only with high amp draw servos.

I would not suggest it for speed flying but for 3D on a 700 size it is more than up to the task. as long as you arent running a pyro 800 or bigger or a scorpion 4535 or something crazy.

[Wizza]

Is the new Koni LogTel unit not released yet..??? Can't find stock anywhere..????