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11-11-2011, 08:29 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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11 blinks after setting mode 9, jive 80hv
after i set mode 9 then reconnect the battery i get 11 beeps
manual says series resistance too high??? its 11 beeps but in groups of 2 close together so: beep,beep.....beep,beep up to 10 then one last beep. but all quite quick whats happened? im using thunder power 65c 3300's 12s however they are unused and brand new! any advice appreciated the jive still arms but im not happy and unsure what ive done wrong
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11-11-2011, 10:23 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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You mix both blink & beep codes...
"7.9 LiPo Mode (Mode 9) To realize under voltage disconnection the audio sequence during battery connection is changed. The number of audio signals confirms the number of identified LiPo cells." Meaning that the Jive beeps your cell count, should be 12 not 11. Manual states that your Lipo should be fully charged when setting mode 9. The double beep you describe is for this mode. "LED is blinking eleven times Series resistance too high. Use smaller resistance (<10ohm recommended) or bypass existing resistance faster." Curious about what this means myself... Resolder connectors?
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11-11-2011, 10:50 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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To the OP,
Out of curiosity, by some chance are you trying to avoid a spark by using an initial resistor connection? If so, you need a lower resistance resistor (1 ohm max). A larger value causes the voltage to the ESC to ramp up slowly---so slow that when the ESC makes its cell count, the voltage has not reached even the 12 cell range. |
11-11-2011, 10:56 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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ok im happy now, both 6s batts were on 3.9 per cell
now ive charged to 4.2 and im getting 12 beeps guess all is ok then? my stupidity, everyone says the manual is useless though lol
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11-11-2011, 11:23 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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You're good to go
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11-11-2011, 03:51 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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cheers guys, ive programmed mode 1,4,9 and 10 so think im definatly good to go. pretty straight forward really. reversed motor on mode 7 as id allready cleaned my wiring up
oh and i got rid of the dead band at hi and low stick as per mr mel's vid the jive is best and most efficient at 90% power right? so should i now set throttle curve to say 80% max to give me some headroom for the governor? something like 0:40:80:80:80
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11-11-2011, 04:18 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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"Most efficient" is the JIVE as every other ESC at 100% PWM, flat out.
If you mean enough headroom for the PWM (control value) so that the governor can do its job at best, then throttle should be no higher than 60%. If you tweak the throttle travel for whatever reason..... no idea what your max throttle can be having the same headroom left.
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11-11-2011, 05:18 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Your th-curves should be flat, like: 60-60-60-60-60.
I'm assuming that the 0% is only in N-mode, and is for start/stop via th-stick? I use the throttlehold-switch to start and stop the motor. Th-"curves" are flat in all modes. For example: N is 35-35-35-35-35, id1 is 5 x 45% etc, in my setup. I opted for start/stop via th-hold to avoid any chance of the motor accidentally stopping, followed by a slow-start, during flight.
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11-12-2011, 02:38 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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thanks again
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11-12-2011, 03:16 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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Since you have spektrum, either 80% throttle with adjusted ATV, or 65% throttle (80% of 80%) without is the same in terms of PWM.
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11-12-2011, 07:31 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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so now if my maximum throttle point in the dx7 is 60/65% then this will be 60/65% in the jive correct? if at this point im not getting the head speed i want then i need a different pinion? if i understand correctly anything over 60/65% means the govenor wont function properly? sorry to be a pain and thanks
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11-12-2011, 07:40 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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If you have 82/81 in the radio Atv is calibrated and you can go up to 80-80-80-80 (give or take, the higher you go the less performance you get as the headroom get smaller and smaller)
It all depends on what YOU expect/want in terrms of performance, so try it, if it bog too much, get a bigger pinion. (Im a powerjunkie, so for me i rather stay around 70ish on my jive, but that burns flighttime, but thats how i like it) |
11-12-2011, 08:09 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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ok cool, got it. thank you for the help
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11-12-2011, 08:20 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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From all the logs I saw a throttle of 58..60% at max (in the view of the JIVE) is the best to have PWM only sometimes peaking 100%. 65% is already too much.
But on the other hand most pilots do not notice a reduced headroom, - and others fly anyway flat out (need for speed ). You can just exaggerate everything. And, to be honest...., I personally fly all rpm I can get for the first minutes.That the speed drops off then, I do not care. Although I build telemetry stuff, but the "acoustic signal" of decreasing speed is quite enough to me.
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