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TJinGuy · 12-04-2009, 06:43 PM

I brought my mail scale home from work and it occurred to me that I had not weighed new Protos yet. See I like numbers, numbers like weights, and I was interested to see what number my scale would tell me when I sat my new super light heli on it. Lets just say I was a little surprised to see that the number was a little higher than I expected. MSH advertises the Protos with 6s pack at 1520g and with 7s A123 at 1700g. By comparison my scale informed me that my Protos weighs 1320g minus battery and 1750g with.

My setup is pretty normal

Plastic Protos w/stock motor, canopy and blades
3x s9650mgs on cyclic
CC Ice 75A
Mini-G + s9254 on tail
AR6200
Hyperion VX 2600 packs

Yes the mg servos add weight and so does the full sized tail servo. Yeah the Ice 75A is heavy. The lightest 6s pack I can find anywhere is is 340g, 64g less than my packs. So there is all of that but how can it add up to 230g or over half a pound!?!?!?

All I can think is that MSH must have seriously shopped for some light parts to get low numbers like that.

DriveWRX · 12-04-2009, 07:25 PM

My numbers on my 2 Proti:

Protos #1
- Stock plastic kit
- Stock motor/ESC
- SAB blades
- MSH FG canopy
- AR7000
- HS-85MG cyclic
- Futaba 520/9257
- Hyperion VX 2600 6S

Weight: 1542g

Protos #2 FBL
- Stock plastic kit
- Stock motor
- CC80 w/ CCBEC
- Radix blades
- MSH FG canopy
- 9650 cyclic
- 9257 tail
- Mini VBar
- Hyperion VX 2600 6S

Weight: 1546g

After loosing the flybar parts, I was a little suprised to see that the FBL one weighs more than stock.

CatchmyCorsair · 12-04-2009, 07:31 PM

The original weight advertised by MSH was when 25C was the hot pack. 30-45C were not available, so MSH did testing with 18C FP Evolite packs.

TJinGuy · 12-04-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Protos #1
- Stock plastic kit
- Stock motor/ESC
- SAB blades
- MSH CF canopy
- AR7000
- HS-85MG cyclic
- Futaba 520/9257
- Hyperion VX 2600 6S

Weight: 1542g

The 85mgs weighs 4g less than plastic geared 9650s and 12g less than the MKS 9660 (which I assume are similar to the mg upgraded 9650s). The 9254 weighs 23g more than the 9257. The AR7000 weighs 4g more than the AR6200. Otherwise they should be the same. ESC weighs the same and gyro should be very close. The differences add up to 59g. So either I am missing something or one of our scales is off.

DriveWRX · 12-04-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJinGuy

The 85mgs weighs 4g less than plastic geared 9650s and 12g less than the MKS 9660 (which I assume are similar to the mg upgraded 9650s). The 9254 weighs 23g more than the 9257. The AR7000 weighs 4g more than the AR6200. Otherwise they should be the same. ESC weighs the same and gyro should be very close. The differences add up to 59g. So either I am missing something or one of our scales is off.

I'm curious now too...

Try this:
Weigh your Hyperion pack.

I got 402g on mine with Anderson Power Poles.
Stock weight according to the Hyperion Spec sheet is 404g. Pretty close.

TJinGuy · 12-04-2009, 09:44 PM

Good idea.

My 2600s with straight 3.5mm bullets, probably lighter than your PPs, show 425g on my scale. So maybe my scale it high? Or maybe yours is low?

nyc863 · 12-04-2009, 09:51 PM

My FBL carbon, with a BLS251, is 1770 grams, with a zippy 2600 battery (461 grams with the velcro etc). A 2600 Hyperion I also fly with weighs 409 grams, so that would take it down to 1720.

I have a z-power motor which may weigh more than the stock MSH motor. The tail servo is more than a 9257 and I have a carbon wrapped boom that is heavier than the stock boom, I think the carbon frame weighs more than the plastic one?

trickybit · 12-04-2009, 09:52 PM

Hyperion VX 2600 6S powerpoles, 1"x2" velcro and a thin lap of cloth tape: 411g.

nyc863 · 12-04-2009, 09:55 PM

I think his mail room has been over-charging

JustPlaneChris · 12-04-2009, 10:30 PM

Mine has:

Plastic frame
Hitec 5245MG
Spartan / 9257
SK360
AR7000
Jazz 80-6-18

With a Kong Power 2600 and Fusono FG canopy AUW is 1624g
With plastic canopy it's 1598g

KP 2600 = 387g
I also have two Polyquest 2700 packs at 433g, so AUW with those is 1670g.

Just for interest, AUW with the 7S A123 packs is 1794g (558g pack).

trickybit · 12-04-2009, 10:43 PM

My little scale shows 1215 without the o-rings, with the hyperion that would be 1626.

Stock: plastic,motor, blades, fg canopy
phoenix 60, powerpoles
sportbec
mks metal all round
spartan
ar6200
voltage stepdown
pads of dualoc here and there for mounting satellite, eagletree

dang, i hope it's sunny tomorrow... all this talk about light helicopters and their cool setups is making me antsy.

TJinGuy · 12-04-2009, 10:55 PM

Man I wish it would warm up so we could fly. It was 19F out when I went to work this morning at 9am

Chorge · 12-05-2009, 05:29 AM

1542g - Plastik-Kit - FBL (V-Stabi 4.0) - BLS251 - Rockamp (Fusuno?) canopy, heavy! - SLS ZX 6S 2500mAh 30C

wespen · 12-05-2009, 07:00 AM

Infinity V2 carbon frame
FG canopy
Kora 15-14 (40g lighter than my Scorp 880)
Jazz 80 + CC BEC
MKS on cyclic
BLS on tail
V-Bar
metal grips
metal tail
Ar6100E
----------------------
1220 grams empty
+
410g G3 2600
450g PQ XF 2500
----------------------
1630g / 1660g RTF (1690g with Scorp)

I just hope Lexan canopy will be out soon, this will bring me hair below 1600g

JiriK · 12-05-2009, 05:19 PM

Plastic Protos kit with sab blades and plastic canopy.
* Stock motor
* Spektrum AR6100 rx
* Spartan ds760 + 9257
* Ino labs HG-D260HB servos
* Kontronik Jazz 80A
* 7S A123 2300mAh pack
--------------------------------------
1701g.

Only mods are the tail fins that I made from fiberglass sheet and motor mount washers (made from 3mm aluminum)

henryd123 · 12-07-2009, 09:27 AM

mine is 1644 grams with 6s lipo installed(2800 winforce)

Synx666 · 12-07-2009, 10:38 AM

1660 with 6S2500, Mini-V, jazz55 and CC BEC pro. (plastic)

Shawn Behrens · 12-09-2009, 04:44 PM

1650 g
carbon protos
stock motor
align 60 amp esc
3517 on head
spartan and 8900G on tail
stock FG canopy
6s 2600mah hyperion vx
align 425D

shawn

monse · 12-09-2009, 07:09 PM

current AUW with 6s A123 ( 466g ) is 1522g
things that save weight:

Plastic frame
carbon tail boom: -12g compared to stock
Blades: HT 435DF: 110g/Set
Plastic Canopy: 37g (39g repaired)
Spartan (shortened wires) --> AC-3X FBL: -28g
Kora 15 without 3rd bearing: 155g inlc. connnectors
Duzi.cz tailboom support brace + no horizontal finn
rc-carbon.com 450 landing gear: 25g including skids, bolts, nuts
YGE-60 ESC integrated BEC
MKS 8910 tailservo
Savox 1350 on Swashplate (wires shortened)

Chorge · 12-10-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm extremly sorry!!!! Made a mistake!!!
Mine is 1621g....

12-04-2009, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	How much does your Protos weigh? I brought my mail scale home from work and it occurred to me that I had not weighed new Protos yet. See I like numbers, numbers like weights, and I was interested to see what number my scale would tell me when I sat my new super light heli on it. Lets just say I was a little surprised to see that the number was a little higher than I expected. MSH advertises the Protos with 6s pack at 1520g and with 7s A123 at 1700g. By comparison my scale informed me that my Protos weighs 1320g minus battery and 1750g with. My setup is pretty normal Plastic Protos w/stock motor, canopy and blades 3x s9650mgs on cyclic CC Ice 75A Mini-G + s9254 on tail AR6200 Hyperion VX 2600 packs Yes the mg servos add weight and so does the full sized tail servo. Yeah the Ice 75A is heavy. The lightest 6s pack I can find anywhere is is 340g, 64g less than my packs. So there is all of that but how can it add up to 230g or over half a pound!?!?!? All I can think is that MSH must have seriously shopped for some light parts to get low numbers like that. __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

12-04-2009, 07:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
DriveWRX Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007	My numbers on my 2 Proti: Protos #1 - Stock plastic kit - Stock motor/ESC - SAB blades - MSH FG canopy - AR7000 - HS-85MG cyclic - Futaba 520/9257 - Hyperion VX 2600 6S Weight: 1542g Protos #2 FBL - Stock plastic kit - Stock motor - CC80 w/ CCBEC - Radix blades - MSH FG canopy - 9650 cyclic - 9257 tail - Mini VBar - Hyperion VX 2600 6S Weight: 1546g After loosing the flybar parts, I was a little suprised to see that the FBL one weighs more than stock. __________________ MSH Prôtos ...A Better Way to Fly MSH Prôtos Mini Mikado Logo 600 Vergnügenstabi Last edited by DriveWRX; 12-05-2009 at 06:33 AM.. Reason: minor details...

12-04-2009, 07:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
CatchmyCorsair Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006	The original weight advertised by MSH was when 25C was the hot pack. 30-45C were not available, so MSH did testing with 18C FP Evolite packs. __________________ Steve Trex 450 Pro = MSH Prôtos = Logo 600

12-04-2009, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	Good idea. My 2600s with straight 3.5mm bullets, probably lighter than your PPs, show 425g on my scale. So maybe my scale it high? Or maybe yours is low? __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

12-04-2009, 09:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
nyc863 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2009	My FBL carbon, with a BLS251, is 1770 grams, with a zippy 2600 battery (461 grams with the velcro etc). A 2600 Hyperion I also fly with weighs 409 grams, so that would take it down to 1720. I have a z-power motor which may weigh more than the stock MSH motor. The tail servo is more than a 9257 and I have a carbon wrapped boom that is heavier than the stock boom, I think the carbon frame weighs more than the plastic one? __________________ http://www.helifleet.com/Justin <--- check out my fleet get your fleet online

12-04-2009, 09:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
trickybit Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2007	Hyperion VX 2600 6S powerpoles, 1"x2" velcro and a thin lap of cloth tape: 411g. __________________ PRÔTOS 500 Plastic, Logo 550SX/600SX, PRÔTOS Max2 up and flying! Team MSH USA, Team Cyclone, Team Xnova

12-04-2009, 09:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
nyc863 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2009	I think his mail room has been over-charging __________________ http://www.helifleet.com/Justin <--- check out my fleet get your fleet online

12-04-2009, 10:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
JustPlaneChris Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Temple, TX	Mine has: Plastic frame Hitec 5245MG Spartan / 9257 SK360 AR7000 Jazz 80-6-18 With a Kong Power 2600 and Fusono FG canopy AUW is 1624g With plastic canopy it's 1598g KP 2600 = 387g I also have two Polyquest 2700 packs at 433g, so AUW with those is 1670g. Just for interest, AUW with the 7S A123 packs is 1794g (558g pack). __________________ Chris Boultinghouse

12-04-2009, 10:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
trickybit Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2007	My little scale shows 1215 without the o-rings, with the hyperion that would be 1626. Stock: plastic,motor, blades, fg canopy phoenix 60, powerpoles sportbec mks metal all round spartan ar6200 voltage stepdown pads of dualoc here and there for mounting satellite, eagletree dang, i hope it's sunny tomorrow... all this talk about light helicopters and their cool setups is making me antsy. __________________ PRÔTOS 500 Plastic, Logo 550SX/600SX, PRÔTOS Max2 up and flying! Team MSH USA, Team Cyclone, Team Xnova

12-04-2009, 10:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	Man I wish it would warm up so we could fly. It was 19F out when I went to work this morning at 9am __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

12-05-2009, 05:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
Chorge Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	1542g - Plastik-Kit - FBL (V-Stabi 4.0) - BLS251 - Rockamp (Fusuno?) canopy, heavy! - SLS ZX 6S 2500mAh 30C __________________ With V-Stabi 4.0: THREE DEE RIGID With MicroBEAST: T-REX 550, PRÔTOS 500, T-REX 450 Pro

12-05-2009, 07:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
wespen Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2007	Infinity V2 carbon frame FG canopy Kora 15-14 (40g lighter than my Scorp 880) Jazz 80 + CC BEC MKS on cyclic BLS on tail V-Bar metal grips metal tail Ar6100E ---------------------- 1220 grams empty + 410g G3 2600 450g PQ XF 2500 ---------------------- 1630g / 1660g RTF (1690g with Scorp) I just hope Lexan canopy will be out soon, this will bring me hair below 1600g __________________ www.flyfreak.net - Croatian RC forum

12-05-2009, 05:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
JiriK Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2006	Plastic Protos kit with sab blades and plastic canopy. * Stock motor * Spektrum AR6100 rx * Spartan ds760 + 9257 * Ino labs HG-D260HB servos * Kontronik Jazz 80A * 7S A123 2300mAh pack -------------------------------------- 1701g. Only mods are the tail fins that I made from fiberglass sheet and motor mount washers (made from 3mm aluminum)

12-07-2009, 09:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
henryd123 Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	mine is 1644 grams with 6s lipo installed(2800 winforce) __________________ msh protos,trex 500esp Last edited by henryd123; 12-07-2009 at 04:19 PM..

12-07-2009, 10:38 AM	#17 (permalink)
Synx666 Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	1660 with 6S2500, Mini-V, jazz55 and CC BEC pro. (plastic) __________________ For Sale: Logo 6003D Vbar

12-09-2009, 04:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
Shawn Behrens Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2007	1650 g carbon protos stock motor align 60 amp esc 3517 on head spartan and 8900G on tail stock FG canopy 6s 2600mah hyperion vx align 425D shawn

12-09-2009, 07:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
monse Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2007	current AUW with 6s A123 ( 466g ) is 1522g things that save weight: Plastic frame carbon tail boom: -12g compared to stock Blades: HT 435DF: 110g/Set Plastic Canopy: 37g (39g repaired) Spartan (shortened wires) --> AC-3X FBL: -28g Kora 15 without 3rd bearing: 155g inlc. connnectors Duzi.cz tailboom support brace + no horizontal finn rc-carbon.com 450 landing gear: 25g including skids, bolts, nuts YGE-60 ESC integrated BEC MKS 8910 tailservo Savox 1350 on Swashplate (wires shortened) Attached Thumbnails Last edited by monse; 12-11-2009 at 10:39 AM..

12-10-2009, 08:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
Chorge Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	I'm extremly sorry!!!! Made a mistake!!! Mine is 1621g.... __________________ With V-Stabi 4.0: THREE DEE RIGID With MicroBEAST: T-REX 550, PRÔTOS 500, T-REX 450 Pro

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