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HighFreq · 10-13-2008, 06:05 AM

Video of Dario Neuenschwander testing the new CF frame and ESC at Heli Alpine Smackdown.

Dario Neuenschwander Alpine Smackdown

Right click "save as"

Sorry for the bad quality of the video.........

Corrado

uragano47812 · 10-13-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFreq

Video of Dario Neuenschwander testing the new CF frame and ESC at Heli Alpine Smackdown.

Dario Neuenschwander Alpine Smackdown

Right click "save as"

Sorry for the bad quality of the video.........

Corrado

Ciao Corrado

More info and photos please!!

EricW · 10-13-2008, 11:17 AM

Wow, great flying by Dario, Protos is looking good!.

Eric

Jimmy! · 10-13-2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFreq

Video of Dario Neuenschwander testing the new CF frame and ESC at Heli Alpine Smackdown.

Dario Neuenschwander Alpine Smackdown

Right click "save as"

Sorry for the bad quality of the video.........

Corrado

Are these your carbon frames, or the ones that were reviewed in this forum already? Or are those yours too?

HighFreq · 10-13-2008, 06:11 PM

Prototype MSH carbon frames.

Corrado

OICU812 · 10-14-2008, 12:50 AM

Corrado will you be looking at an SE package once these CF frames and all the new grips for various blades and all new parts are available that have been improved?

HighFreq · 10-14-2008, 01:50 AM

All improvements are in the kits now.
we are working on the mold for 10mm blade grips and will be ready in a month or so. CF Frame december/january. ESC december/january.

We will have a carbon kit in the first quarter of 2009.

Conversions kit to carbon will be available before the carbon kit.

Corrado

OICU812 · 10-14-2008, 03:15 AM

Ok when you get Carbon kit in that has all of this together I will revisit the heli then, thanks for response.

HighFreq · 10-14-2008, 06:10 AM

Some pics, we didn't want to show them yet but they leaked out at the last funfly we had so.......enjoy

Plastic parts are still fast prototyping so they don't have a nice finish.

All hex screws have brass inserts just like in the servo frame.

We will release CF frame kit in January.

Same weight as plastic frame (maybe 2-3 grams less).

Kit will include:

2 - CF (or G10) side Frames
1 - Plastic battery tray
1 - Plastic lower plate
1 - Plastic third beairing support
1 - All screws needed for the conversion

DO NOT KNOW PRICE YET BUT WILL BE PRICED COMPETITIVELY AS ALL OUR PRODUCTS.

Corrado

Jimmy! · 10-14-2008, 08:17 AM

Great video, Corrado

It's just amazing how lighting fast the Protos is

Kudos to the pilot too! Think I might name my (future) Protos Blitzschrauber

Osprey · 10-14-2008, 03:10 PM

It looks like the CF frames add a little more protection to the ESC. Is that something that was given consideration? I love the clean, low cost plastic frames but to do not like my $250.00 ESC sticking out unprotected.

ktm520 · 10-14-2008, 07:18 PM

Corrado,

how much headspeed, cyclic pitch, collective pitch, and what size of lipo is Dario running in that video?

HighFreq · 10-15-2008, 01:55 AM

Headspeed 2900

+-13° collective
10° ciclic
2500 6S Desire Battery

Corrado

rscrc · 10-16-2008, 09:47 AM

Corrado,

I found there is a serious binding issue of mixing arm at the lowest pitch (-12 degree) with 8 degree cyclic

And now I need to inverse the ball inside out to solve the binding issue

Caleb White · 10-16-2008, 10:28 AM

Wow! Something doesn't look right, there. Even with +/-12 and 10 deg cyclic and link lengths set per manual with calipers, I did not have the problem your pic shows. I would recheck things... then (what I did) close the smallest links all the way together and adjust the long ones accordingly. Use a good pitch gage and be sure you are using it properly. It is important to have the swash and servo arms level at mid stick, of course, then be sure +pitch is the same as -pitch.

MSH runs 13/13 and 10 degrees without flipping the ball outward. One more thing to note: You should never need to put the stick in an extreme corner anyway--that wouldn't be good (21-23 deg) even if there is a bit of binding! I do have a slight bit of binding, but not as bad as your pic seems to show. Maybe you have more pitch than you think?

rscrc · 10-16-2008, 11:23 AM

Are you also pushing down the swashplate to -12 degree and at the same time push elev. to 10degree? Is the flybar free to move?

wespen · 10-16-2008, 04:02 PM

Im binding too, but I too dont think you will ever need that swash attitude.

Wesp

rscrc · 10-17-2008, 11:43 PM

If you move the flybar that parallel to the swashplate at -12degree collective and 8degree elev., you will find the binding I mentioned above

jgoodwin · 10-25-2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rscrc

If you move the flybar that parallel to the swashplate at -12degree collective and 8degree elev., you will find the binding I mentioned above

I never see my flybar get to that position in flight.

-J

EricW · 10-25-2008, 05:42 PM

It never will...
Therefore It's not a problem imho.

10-13-2008, 06:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Join Date: May 2004	* Testing the PROTOS CF frame and new ESC * Video of Dario Neuenschwander testing the new CF frame and ESC at Heli Alpine Smackdown. Dario Neuenschwander Alpine Smackdown Right click "save as" Sorry for the bad quality of the video......... Corrado __________________ www.msheli.com

10-13-2008, 11:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
EricW Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007	Wow, great flying by Dario, Protos is looking good!. Eric __________________ One day I got stung, and now I love rotor sounds...Team RIGIDHELI.COM T-Rex 700N Pro, Compass 7HV ult., MSH PRÔTOS

10-13-2008, 06:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2004	Prototype MSH carbon frames. Corrado __________________ www.msheli.com

10-14-2008, 12:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
OICU812 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta	Corrado will you be looking at an SE package once these CF frames and all the new grips for various blades and all new parts are available that have been improved? __________________ ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars & frequency pins...Shawn

10-14-2008, 01:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2004	All improvements are in the kits now. we are working on the mold for 10mm blade grips and will be ready in a month or so. CF Frame december/january. ESC december/january. We will have a carbon kit in the first quarter of 2009. Conversions kit to carbon will be available before the carbon kit. Corrado __________________ www.msheli.com

10-14-2008, 03:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
OICU812 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta	Ok when you get Carbon kit in that has all of this together I will revisit the heli then, thanks for response. __________________ ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars & frequency pins...Shawn

10-14-2008, 06:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2004	Some pics, we didn't want to show them yet but they leaked out at the last funfly we had so.......enjoy Plastic parts are still fast prototyping so they don't have a nice finish. All hex screws have brass inserts just like in the servo frame. We will release CF frame kit in January. Same weight as plastic frame (maybe 2-3 grams less). Kit will include: 2 - CF (or G10) side Frames 1 - Plastic battery tray 1 - Plastic lower plate 1 - Plastic third beairing support 1 - All screws needed for the conversion DO NOT KNOW PRICE YET BUT WILL BE PRICED COMPETITIVELY AS ALL OUR PRODUCTS. Corrado Attached Thumbnails __________________ www.msheli.com

10-14-2008, 08:17 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jimmy! Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	Great video, Corrado It's just amazing how lighting fast the Protos is Kudos to the pilot too! Think I might name my (future) Protos *Blitzschrauber*

10-14-2008, 03:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Osprey Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	It looks like the CF frames add a little more protection to the ESC. Is that something that was given consideration? I love the clean, low cost plastic frames but to do not like my $250.00 ESC sticking out unprotected.

10-14-2008, 07:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
ktm520 Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006	Corrado, how much headspeed, cyclic pitch, collective pitch, and what size of lipo is Dario running in that video?

10-15-2008, 01:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
HighFreq Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: May 2004	Headspeed 2900 +-13° collective 10° ciclic 2500 6S Desire Battery Corrado __________________ www.msheli.com

10-16-2008, 09:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
rscrc Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	Corrado, I found there is a serious binding issue of mixing arm at the lowest pitch (-12 degree) with 8 degree cyclic And now I need to inverse the ball inside out to solve the binding issue Attached Thumbnails

10-16-2008, 10:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
Caleb White Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006	Wow! Something doesn't look right, there. Even with +/-12 and 10 deg cyclic and link lengths set per manual with calipers, I did not have the problem your pic shows. I would recheck things... then (what I did) close the smallest links all the way together and adjust the long ones accordingly. Use a good pitch gage and be sure you are using it properly. It is important to have the swash and servo arms level at mid stick, of course, then be sure +pitch is the same as -pitch. MSH runs 13/13 and 10 degrees without flipping the ball outward. One more thing to note: You should never need to put the stick in an extreme corner anyway--that wouldn't be good (21-23 deg) even if there is a bit of binding! I do have a slight bit of binding, but not as bad as your pic seems to show. Maybe you have more pitch than you think? __________________ What a great hobby...even better, its people! Be blessed, friends.

10-16-2008, 11:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
rscrc Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	Are you also pushing down the swashplate to -12 degree and at the same time push elev. to 10degree? Is the flybar free to move?

10-16-2008, 04:02 PM	#17 (permalink)
wespen Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2007	Im binding too, but I too dont think you will ever need that swash attitude. Wesp

10-17-2008, 11:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
rscrc Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	If you move the flybar that parallel to the swashplate at -12degree collective and 8degree elev., you will find the binding I mentioned above Attached Thumbnails

10-25-2008, 05:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
EricW Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007	It never will... Therefore It's not a problem imho. __________________ One day I got stung, and now I love rotor sounds...Team RIGIDHELI.COM T-Rex 700N Pro, Compass 7HV ult., MSH PRÔTOS

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