AR7210BX with self level!!

[Hexperience]

BeastX Plus gets the Spektrum treatment....

Wonder if the upgrade will also be 99 euros?



https://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/...ID=SPMAR7210BX

[Gyropilot]

Sweet!

[Ricky25]

The upgrade to safe seems to be extra, I get a feeling that the 270 cox is going to sell very well :-)

[Hexperience]

Yeah. Either they are giving a good deal on the software upgrade by "including " it in the price of the heli or the software upgrade is just a bit of a cash grab. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want to pay for features. But 100 euros is about 150 Canadian and puts the total cost of an ar7210bx at close to 400. I have a beastx plus with the upgrade and I like it. If it was around the cost of an ikon I would have bought 2 by now. But at this price point I have to look elsewhere.

Still... getting a new version of my old beat to death 300x might be the way to go if I want an ar7210bx with "safe"

[DPW]

One 450 crash and you pay for the upgrade.

For me I regard a $100 450 crash as cheep.

I haven't been able to confirm:

Optional SAFE® software and firmware updates can be uploaded with the Tx. SAFE software sold separately.
but
I will upgrade to Panic Recovery mode if I can instantly recover the heli to a level attitude.

What would be real real nice if Markus Schaack (BeastX Ex) would provide a firmware update to Panic Recovery mode for all my older BeastX stuff.

Face the Facts

They got ya by the Genitalia

[Hexperience]

There's not guarantee rescue will save you from a crash, but I agree that it's a feature worth paying for. I'm just saying that I personally think that 100 Euros is a bit too much. If they had made it 50 I would have bought another beast x pro rather than an Ikon. It's just a personal choice, no big deal.

They do not, however, "got me by the Genitalia". I simply choose to spend my money elsewhere which is really the point. I really like the BeastX plus but the price made me try out an Ikon...

We'll see what happens in the future, maybe they will lower the price a little after the development has been paid for a bit.

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by Dipweed

Face the Facts

They got ya by the Genitalia

Not at all. There is the Spirit or Neuron with the same or better functionality, but for a lot less cash.

If everyone did the sensible thing and refused to be blackmailed into paying piles of cash to turn back on deliberately disabled features then the likes of BeastX, Spektrum and Mikado would have to stop ripping us off. It's not like there is no choice.

[night wolf d]

http://www.modelflight.com.au/radios...-receiver.html
Optional SAFE® software and firmware updates can be uploaded with the Spektrum USB programmer (SPMA3030). Both the SAFE software and programmer are sold separately

Ouch! $399AU + SAFE +USB

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by night wolf d

Ouch! $399AU + SAFE +USB

Ouch! is the word. Compare that to the new Spirit Pro which is a better featured unit that comes with rescue and all other features available out of the box (and comes supplied with a USB lead). The Spirit Pro costs $224 US / $324 AU

The only advantage of the AR7210BX over the Spirit (for Spektrum users) is that it comes with built in DSMX receiver, but receivers can be had cheap so that doesn't even come close to bridging the price gap.

[night wolf d]

Extremely tempted to preorder a Spirit Pro
AU$ Exchange rate

[DPW]

Originally Posted by Grumpy_Old_Man

The only advantage of the AR7210BX over the Spirit (for Spektrum users) is that it comes with built in DSMX receiver.

AR7210BX is much much more than self level self level & built in Rx

Neatest trick is the radio connection (Dx6 Dx7 Dx7s Dx8 Dx9 Dx18).

No cables no usb no laptop to drag to the field to change parameters its now all done by your radio! Is it going to be on the fly? Im not sure.

I have 4 advanced gyros with boxes and plugs and leads and laptop programs to modify/tune settings that are a pain in the Derrière to fix in the field.

What other neat tricks are in the AR7210BX? I dont know manual hasnt come out yet. I cant even get a firm $ ($219.99) or if there is a $ for Panic Recovery mode features.

Its just to soon to know anything about the AR7210BX .

[Hexperience]

Actually it says right on the page that "safe" is a paid upgrade. We know a lot about it because it is simply a beastx plus with an rx built in. The beastx plus upgrade to the pro software (which is what Safe is) is 99 euros so I assume the ar7210bx upgrade will be the same (if not they should lower the price of the beastx upgrade to match).

Having said all that, there is rescue mode, trainer mode and "3d rescue" mode which will do auto leveling inverted if that is the closest to level.

It does work very well. But is it worth almost twice the cost of an ikon?

If the beastx plus pro was 250 US I would have bought a second one rather than an ikon. Blue tooth is great to setup at the field but I like the beastx even more. Just take your quick reference card and your set.

[KenM]

As long as the weather holds out tomorrow I will be test flying the AR7210BX with bailout. Here it is installed and ready in my Chronos.

This unit was won at IRCHA by some fortunate person who kindly donated it to a raffle at heli fun fly I attended last week. I didn't win it, but my buddy who did, flies vortex and vbar. So since my Chronos already had an AR7200BX on it, he thought it would be nice to swap it out with this one and get a good comparison.

[Hexperience]

Did they say for sure it had the auto level upgrade, or are you talking about autorotation bail out? I'm sure it will fly just like the beastx plus which is very good. The original beastx/ar7200bx flies better than I can so going to the plus/ar7210 I didn't notice much difference. I have an ikon I'm about to try out. See if I can feel any difference.

[DPW]

Spektrum Tx
Once bound was there any indication that you could program/setup the AR7210BX w self level with the radio?

[KenM]

Yes it is the full unit with self level bailout. It flies different then the original AR7200bx. I set it up with 3d bailout with collective pitch. Testing went good today and the system performed very well.

[Hexperience]

Yeah, I needed a unit for my x3 and didn't want to pay the higher price tag for the full beastx plus and the upgrade so I bought the ikon to try out. I haven't flown it yet but I can tell already that I would rather have the beastx rescue than the ikon rescue. No pitch control on the ikon and you can't auto level to inverted. I have a feeling if I'm ever too low and inverted and need the rescue I may plow it in. I have the BX plus pro on my 600 and when you rescue it goes level and UP. no matter what you are doing on collective. It's a very nice rescue mode.

I haven't tried the center stick mode, where you can auto level only when the stick is close to center. I wanted to try that for learning piro flips but (and this is my only complaint other than price) you can't be in center stick mode and still use rescue. It can only do 1 attitude control mode at a time. You can turn that mode on and off, but you can't switch between modes. So if you where using training mode, you can't make it switch to rescue with pitch control.

If they could fix that in software and lower the cost of the upgrade, even a little, I would go beastx 100 percent.

Oh well, I'm sure the ikon will fly well, a lot of people like them and it will live on the x3 for a while I'm sure. But I think I'll save up for a while and get the BX pro for my gaui X480.

[Ricky25]

Any updates?

[DPW]

Even
270 CFX BNF Basic (BLH4850) $479.99
Has
Spektrum™ AR7210BX receiver with BeastX® flybarless technology
and
You can download the manual but there is nothing on radio programming the AR7210BX receiver.

[KenM]

I have a preliminary manual that came with my unit. The programming isn't much different.

I've switched to Bailout Rescue with Pitch rather then 3D-Mode with Pitch. There are 4 safe options to choose.

The unit itself flies a bit different...Better then the old unit. Tail is great although I never had problems in the first place. My only change is dial 3 can be turned up more.

The bailout rescue with pitch works really well. It takes getting used to. For instance, vbar seems to flip and roll to upright all in one step where the 7210 levels to inverted and then rolled to upright. It still occurred very fast, but it distinctly went to an inverted hover first then rolled level.

Feel free to ask any questions. I'll do my best to answer.