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05-21-2014, 09:12 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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VBar, microBeast & CGY-750. I still have helis with VBar & still own most of them. 2 VBars, 2 microbeasts, 1 CGY-750, 2 SK720BE both with GPS and 1 SK540.
I fly a 720BE+gps on both my Logo 700XX and Logo 550sx. The SK540 is on my MiniProtos. I fly a VBar on my Logo 600. The others have been demoted to their boxes and I sold the CGY-750. The V-Bar flies a bit crisper than the SK's, but the hard-deck feature makes that a moot point. I don't use the hard deck all the time; its obviously hard to fly down on the deck with it. I use it almost exclusively when learning a new maneuver or a difficult transition. Most recently it helped me nail piro-funnel figure eights with a transition from upside down to right-side up at the crossover. Without the hard-deck it would have taken me months to nail instead of the 2 or 3 weeks. I don't ever use the stright bailout option; my thought is that training myself to hit a switch when I've lost control is both hard to do and a bad habit to get into. Last edited by sl4ppy; 05-21-2014 at 10:52 AM.. |
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05-21-2014, 10:46 AM | #22 (permalink) | |
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Agreed! Over Two years ago when I just got started with this I wanted the simplest most stabile FBL system out there requiring no adjustments, there were too many other things to think about. Today I can handle and understand the additional complexity of the available adjustments and can appreciate them. I agree that a pilot should learn by doing with drift and so on but man, this is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life so if there is a setting I can make or button to push to take some of that complexity away, not to mention the expense of repair after the boo boo, I'll gladly use it. One thing I have grown to appreciate with the SK720BE is its ability to fly different banks. I have two set up, one mild version when I know I am probably to tired to fly but want to anyway and then there is bank 2 which is set to my maximum ability to fly when I am rested and can actually keep up with the ship. Maybe after flying everyday and I am about 150 years old I'll be lucky to have the experience necessary to fly anything well even without adjustments but I doubt it. So until then...cheat baby...cheat! |
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05-21-2014, 11:11 AM | #23 (permalink) | |
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05-21-2014, 01:09 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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=] Martin, it's going really well!!
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05-21-2014, 01:46 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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Thanks Georgi!
Art just sent me an email confirming that as well. Looking forward to those shortcuts on my laptop. |
05-21-2014, 02:15 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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Make that a double My only beef about all of this stuff, is the added complexity new pilots have trouble mastering. I setup most the new pilots systems in my area as they are usually swamped as it is. Glad to help, and I am glad I am here to help thanks to all the help I myself received from guys here! But I do know how incredibly complicated it can get, especially when a guy is out on his own. Add Gps to that, and I have had guys tell me no just because of all this. Then again, I remember tuning flybar systems early on. That wasn't so simple either. Is anything easy in this heli hobby?
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05-21-2014, 02:55 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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=] it will be condensed into one!
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05-21-2014, 03:37 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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Talk about technology making things easier. If you want to see what real fear looks like, tell a full scale pilot he will have to make a trip without GPS.
Most would have a very hard time doing it. The only reason I got my fixed wing rating was because of GPS, navigation was to intense for me to do all the time. I wanted to spend my time enjoying flight not spending time worrying if I was off course. Don't get me wrong I still will fly with a chart in my lap to cross reference but the GPS staring me in the face is a real confidence booster. I remember when I took my check ride, my check airman said while we were cruising around "ok, your panel GPS just quit, what are you going to do". I just reached into his seat back and pulled out my backup hand held GPS. He said ok, your backup GPS batteries are dead, now what. I pulled out a fresh set still in the box. He then said there defective, now what? I said well, I'll just call my flight instructor, I have him on speed dial. I had a panel mounted cell phone in my airplane. I did have to demonstrate unaided navigation to him but he understood I had plenty of options before it came to that. Off topic sort of, but I hope it put a smile on you face. It did with my flight instructor when I told him and yes I did pass my check ride. |
05-21-2014, 03:40 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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=] it''s more important to have plenty of Tx channels for this rev, your DX9 will be perfect! good move on your part!
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05-21-2014, 04:07 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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=] most of all it's free.... and priceless at the same time!!!
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05-21-2014, 05:13 PM | #34 (permalink) | |
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I actually prefer the behavior of SK720 and BeastX to the Vbar for maneuver. What can I say about these points is that the SK720 is already good in the standard setting process, but knowing what to do with the functions of more advanced settings, only with much research and bench . If this can be improved at this point, it will be better for everyone. I recognize that only BeastX could include in your manual more comprehensive information about each parameter and hints for first flights, but neither this nor any other managed to complete this item . But SK720 "talks" in a very different language from the rest and omits several points such as the use of exponential, for example. If you do not test and starting the process of trial and error, you can not obtain some custom fit. Regarding the use, first I never got a full flight with the GPS locked most of the time. But even if I had, I plan to use another function and the system can progress far as the present form of the cyclic response in PH mode that does not meet my needs and, as I understand, others who use it also not so good experience. I have used quite the SL mode for rescue and can say it works very well. Can be the Center Stick mode, Always ON or alternating between the banks, the heli could level enough to help me and I never had a problem with it. My lament is that I can not configure the GPS to use it as fact and the lack of parameters to customize the behavior of the PH mode. If it were possible to reduce or disable this "Slewing" would be enough for me. I think the answer to the cyclic controls and self-stabilize at the same rate of cyclic when SL is disable, would be perfect, and this is not so hard to design from my point of view and this made it impossible my use of the system, as already reported the other user of this forum with the same need. Have you used the PH mode? What did you think when you try to change the position of the heli with this mode enabled? |
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05-22-2014, 12:19 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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Fwiw, Ive never had a single flight have a solid GPS lock (blue light) last the entire flight; every flight has at least one and usually MANY losses of lock (green light). Its never bothered me. I know hand held stationary GPS devices have difficulty obtaining and maintaing lock on 8+ satelites so it would logically be UNreasonable of me to presume that a micro GPS receicer could hold lock while being thrown around the sky aggresively. I fly a LOT of fpv and have used at least 6 other GPS devices in that application. None of them hold a solid lock every flight reliably so I don't expect the SK to either. When I do get a green light, I simply dont try anything dangerous or fly a bit more mildly and wait a second or two for the blue light to return.
As for PH; no, I've never tried it; i have no use for PH as that seems like a feature more geared toward a quad/multirotor. If I had tried it, I certainly would not expect to be able to move around while IN position hold. That would be counter to its name. I imagine I would switch out of PH mode, relocate, come to a complete stop, and then re-enter PH. My take is that the SK is an FBL and primarily an FBL. I paid a premium to get some "accessories" in the form of GPS assistance. They are the very nice cupholders to the car itself. Being critical of features like PH not being rock solid is akin to buying a car and bitching about the cupholders. Sure, its a legitimate complaint, but really, its just a cupholder and the car still gets you from A to B really well and has a bunch of other nice accessories that aren't so bad. |
05-22-2014, 06:33 AM | #36 (permalink) |
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Speaking of sat lock......the software allows you to program two of several different functions to be shown in the lower corners of the playback file. I switched one of mine to GPS sats locked so I could see how they behave in real time during my flights.
It was very interesting to see how they fluctuate depending on what part of my flying area I'm in, and I was really surprised to see how high the value would go as I was flying around, since I never seem to have that many when connected to the field terminal checking on the ground. My numbers increase a lot once off the ground and up in the air. I could also see the "not enough GPS satellites" warnings as they appeared during the flight and correlate them with the locked sats, and in my case it seemed like this warning would appear momentarily when the values fell to the 5-6 range, so the green light doesn't mean you have lost sat lock completely. Rarely did they ever go below the set threshold for more than a couple seconds or so, and averaged about 10-11 or or higher locked for most of the flight, but I'm sure this will be different for everyone depending on flight conditions and region.
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05-22-2014, 07:03 AM | #37 (permalink) | |
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We are all anxious for the revision to become available but make sure Art and the group knows to take what ever time necessary to "make it right" before release. I can't wait!....but then...I can wait. |
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05-22-2014, 08:05 AM | #38 (permalink) | |
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Beastx charm is the ability to adjust all easily via the gyro itself -thats also its limitation. Changing from it to sk540 on my 450pro changed the whole heli. And with my first SK on 600efl - first flight with little gain fixing gave me exactly what i was looking for. After that i learned a lot about tweaking but that was more fine tuning. The charm of the SKs is the connected feel you get with almost every setting. But i also think the correct gyro for each depends on personal taste and flight style. What i wrote is my personal journy and its obvious where i ended
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05-22-2014, 11:30 AM | #39 (permalink) | |
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More banks "seems" like a very easy feature to implement.
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05-22-2014, 11:42 AM | #40 (permalink) | |
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Boy, that would be sweet! Bail out on it's own leaving an additional bank to be available. It's free to dream! What may the changes bring? Georgi, We know it's top secrete but you can tell us...we won't tell anybody. Throw us a bone! |
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