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markjj · 01-27-2010, 08:46 AM

Never did find out exactly ( 100%) what the cause was- just trying to say that if something fails like the ESC- packs-wiring etc it can get pretty messy pretty quick.

ShuNut · 01-27-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by markjj

Never did find out exactly ( 100%) what the cause was- just trying to say that if something fails like the ESC- packs-wiring etc it can get pretty messy pretty quick.

I'm curious, questions;

So it "could" have been the ESC yes ?
Why are the pix missing from the posts in the above links ? (post 160)
Did outrage sort you out ?
Do you still fly outrage packs ?

Thx

Peace

markjj · 01-27-2010, 02:44 PM

Howdy

Their was too much damage to really be sure, could of been quite a few things looking back but main fire was around the packs so they sorta took the blame- Greg Alderman sorted out some replacements no problem.

The Castle ESC looks ok in the pics but was toast, the 'daughter board' was completely melted along with a lot of wiring and solder but again too much damage to say what caused the problem.

That happened quite a while ago, the pics were stored on a old photo hosting company that I closed down.

On the subject of packs I'm kinda liking the HK turnigy ones- working a treat for the price.

Back On topic LOL...

I dug out my CCHV 85 - downloaded the latest version and gave it a try out- Glad to see the tail wag is gone at last in Gov mode but really didn't get a chance to put it through it paces...At least it didn't let loose the magic smoke.

Yet-

Butuz · 01-27-2010, 05:19 PM

Holy crap thats one melted heli!!! So painful to see!

*hugs his castle ice 75*

Butuz

ShuNut · 01-27-2010, 05:35 PM

Thx for that info markjj .

(Cant believe you answered ALL my questions, normally ppl NEVER answer all of them.)

flyinrazrback · 01-27-2010, 05:57 PM

Question for you guys, I am using my CC Ice 100 in a Trex 600esp, with scorpion 4025-1100 motor. I downloaded the newest 3.21 beta software and that is what I am using. However, I am using it in the outrunner mode as I was not sure if I should use this mode or not? I have only flown the heli a few times with this setup but the motor and esc are not even warm after flight. Should I change the esc out of outrunner mode?

TheBum · 01-27-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinrazrback

Question for you guys, I am using my CC Ice 100 in a Trex 600esp, with scorpion 4025-1100 motor. I downloaded the newest 3.21 beta software and that is what I am using. However, I am using it in the outrunner mode as I was not sure if I should use this mode or not? I have only flown the heli a few times with this setup but the motor and esc are not even warm after flight. Should I change the esc out of outrunner mode?

Whether Outrunner mode is optimal seems to greatly depend on the motor. The Hacker motors are notorious for not liking it, but my Atom 500 motor is happy with it. I'd say if you're not getting excessive heating, then keep running Outrunner mode.

flyinrazrback · 01-27-2010, 06:25 PM

Ok thanks, I will just leave it how it is for now, guess if it is not broke than don't fix it!

Dirtmagnet400 · 01-28-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBum

Whether Outrunner mode is optimal seems to greatly depend on the motor. The Hacker motors are notorious for not liking it, but my Atom 500 motor is happy with it. I'd say if you're not getting excessive heating, then keep running Outrunner mode.

I'm not sure if the "Outrunner Mode" problem is so much a Hacker problem, but it does seem that the Hacker's don't play nice with many ESC's. Even the Jive's have a separate mode (Mode 10) just for the Hacker Electric Turbine! I think it's time for me to get a Scorpion..

RVCOFF · 01-28-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by flyinrazrback

Question for you guys, I am using my CC Ice 100 in a Trex 600esp, with scorpion 4025-1100 motor. I downloaded the newest 3.21 beta software and that is what I am using. However, I am using it in the outrunner mode as I was not sure if I should use this mode or not? I have only flown the heli a few times with this setup but the motor and esc are not even warm after flight. Should I change the esc out of outrunner mode?

After talking with CC last week, when using a scorpion and the newest software, they said using outrunner mode is optimal. I switched mine to outrunner and my 4035-560 started running cooler.

kyalamikid · 01-28-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCOFF

After talking with CC last week, when using a scorpion and the newest software, they said using outrunner mode is optimal. I switched mine to outrunner and my 4035-560 started running cooler.

Thats great news. What are your settings please? Are you using RPM mode?

Thanks

RVCOFF · 01-28-2010, 12:40 PM

Using a HV85 on 10s with a 4035-560
RPM mode @2200
low timing
outrunner mode
soft cutoff
current limiting disabled

flyinrazrback · 01-28-2010, 12:49 PM

I emailed CC and he advised me that the 3.21 software and the outrunner mode is best for my application. I have mainly done hovering, setting up the heli and trimming it and would think this is when the motor and esc would run the hottest, but right after flight both the motor, esc and batteries are cool to the touch.

jvthert · 01-28-2010, 01:35 PM

I use the scorp 560kv with outrunner mode and mid timing now. Set rpm at 2200 and 2300 and it flies great. Only the motor get's hot imo. about 55c in near freezing conditions. I hope that it won; t go up in flames when the ambient temperature is higher. The controller and lipo stay completely cool though.

jvthert · 01-28-2010, 01:40 PM

Completely disabling current protection sounds like a bad thing to me. It might actually be the cause of some flame balls. If you get over-current problems usually the connectors are no good or the lipo is failing.
I prefer to auto-rotate to earth or have a warning after landing (if the situation was not too bad). I've had one small crash with my T-rex due to the protection kicking in and noticing it too late (lost my head speed) but changing my connectors and setup fixed all issues. That crash was a small price to pay in comparison to the carnage Markjj showed us.

gravydrive · 01-28-2010, 02:59 PM

I had current limiting disabled on a CC80 for a while and ended up burning it up. Had to do an emergency auto from low level FFF without any warning and barely got it down. This is why I always run a separate BEC. Keep in mind I was running a 4020-1100 on 6S, I didn't have enough headroom with the CC80.

Hati · 01-28-2010, 03:04 PM

CC recommends using the "insensitive - 170 Amp" setting, from memory.

RVCOFF · 01-28-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jvthert

Completely disabling current protection sounds like a bad thing to me. It might actually be the cause of some flame balls. If you get over-current problems usually the connectors are no good or the lipo is failing.
I prefer to auto-rotate to earth or have a warning after landing (if the situation was not too bad). I've had one small crash with my T-rex due to the protection kicking in and noticing it too late (lost my head speed) but changing my connectors and setup fixed all issues. That crash was a small price to pay in comparison to the carnage Markjj showed us.

Yeah Ive gone back and forth on this setting, in two years of using CC controllers, I've never expierenced a shut down due to current limiting. I think I will switch it back to insensitive....so know one can say "I told you so"

Hati · 01-28-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCOFF

I think I will switch it back to insensitive....so know one can say "I told you so"

No one would say thaaaat

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01-27-2010, 08:46 AM	#161 (permalink)
markjj Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2006	Never did find out exactly ( 100%) what the cause was- just trying to say that if something fails like the ESC- packs-wiring etc it can get pretty messy pretty quick.

01-27-2010, 02:44 PM	#163 (permalink)
markjj Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2006	Howdy Their was too much damage to really be sure, could of been quite a few things looking back but main fire was around the packs so they sorta took the blame- Greg Alderman sorted out some replacements no problem. The Castle ESC looks ok in the pics but was toast, the 'daughter board' was completely melted along with a lot of wiring and solder but again too much damage to say what caused the problem. That happened quite a while ago, the pics were stored on a old photo hosting company that I closed down. On the subject of packs I'm kinda liking the HK turnigy ones- working a treat for the price. Back On topic LOL... I dug out my CCHV 85 - downloaded the latest version and gave it a try out- Glad to see the tail wag is gone at last in Gov mode but really didn't get a chance to put it through it paces...At least it didn't let loose the magic smoke. Yet-

01-27-2010, 05:19 PM	#164 (permalink)
Butuz Join Date: Feb 2006	Holy crap thats one melted heli!!! So painful to see! hugs his castle ice 75 Butuz

01-27-2010, 05:57 PM	#166 (permalink)
flyinrazrback Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2005	Question for you guys, I am using my CC Ice 100 in a Trex 600esp, with scorpion 4025-1100 motor. I downloaded the newest 3.21 beta software and that is what I am using. However, I am using it in the outrunner mode as I was not sure if I should use this mode or not? I have only flown the heli a few times with this setup but the motor and esc are not even warm after flight. Should I change the esc out of outrunner mode?

01-27-2010, 06:25 PM	#168 (permalink)
flyinrazrback Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2005	Ok thanks, I will just leave it how it is for now, guess if it is not broke than don't fix it!

01-28-2010, 12:40 PM	#172 (permalink)
RVCOFF Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008	Using a HV85 on 10s with a 4035-560 RPM mode @2200 low timing outrunner mode soft cutoff current limiting disabled

01-28-2010, 12:49 PM	#173 (permalink)
flyinrazrback Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2005	I emailed CC and he advised me that the 3.21 software and the outrunner mode is best for my application. I have mainly done hovering, setting up the heli and trimming it and would think this is when the motor and esc would run the hottest, but right after flight both the motor, esc and batteries are cool to the touch.

01-28-2010, 01:35 PM	#174 (permalink)
jvthert Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007	I use the scorp 560kv with outrunner mode and mid timing now. Set rpm at 2200 and 2300 and it flies great. Only the motor get's hot imo. about 55c in near freezing conditions. I hope that it won; t go up in flames when the ambient temperature is higher. The controller and lipo stay completely cool though.

01-28-2010, 01:40 PM	#175 (permalink)
jvthert Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007	Completely disabling current protection sounds like a bad thing to me. It might actually be the cause of some flame balls. If you get over-current problems usually the connectors are no good or the lipo is failing. I prefer to auto-rotate to earth or have a warning after landing (if the situation was not too bad). I've had one small crash with my T-rex due to the protection kicking in and noticing it too late (lost my head speed) but changing my connectors and setup fixed all issues. That crash was a small price to pay in comparison to the carnage Markjj showed us.

01-28-2010, 02:59 PM	#176 (permalink)
gravydrive Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2007	I had current limiting disabled on a CC80 for a while and ended up burning it up. Had to do an emergency auto from low level FFF without any warning and barely got it down. This is why I always run a separate BEC. Keep in mind I was running a 4020-1100 on 6S, I didn't have enough headroom with the CC80.

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