START HERE |
|
Register | FAQ | PM | Events | Groups | Blogs | Calendar | Mark Forums Read |
Unregistered
|
Main Forum - Helicopter Talk R/C Helicopters and the people who fly them. VENDOR TOPICS DO NOT GO HERE. Full Scale Heli threads go in OT please |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
04-16-2015, 01:20 AM | #21 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
Dont over look hf for sale adds I just saw a protos with motor mins servos two sets on blades for 300bux therr r good deals there . If ur un sure ask some one you. Respect to. Look it over .. gaui x3 are suposto be a tank you could run the new u ikon unit an save some big doe and have self level
Mini protos is super versatile and cheep to crash (if u stick to plastic frame and stock parts) You can do a 360mm/450size on ur Budget u just. Have to be creative ie buy new Air frame and esc use new u ikon/u brain fbl same as standard units smaller no govoner and built for smaller birds (hf Onthesnap alex rose is a wonderfully resources. For ikon/brain fbl units he is a developer/tester and awsomeguy) Then finde some new align servos that came out of a kit (a lot of people use difrent servos and sell ones from kit) buy a charger and power supply used and u have a killer set up that won't. Break the bank ! |
Sponsored Links | |||
Advertisement |
|
04-16-2015, 01:48 AM | #22 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
|
Thank you all for the responses. Looks like I have a bit of thinking to do. I will use everything you all said to help make my decision. Glad to be on here with guys and gals like you all to help those who know a little less along.
Happy Flying, -Vod
__________________
“I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things. ” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 450X - Spedix S250 - MCPX BL (RIP) - DX6i - RealFlight 7.5 |
04-16-2015, 05:46 AM | #23 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: May 2012
|
There is a lot of old garbage on Craig'slist, sometimes you'll see threads on here making fun of ads that are way way way over priced. So be very careful about what is a "great" deal on there. Feel free to post links on this thread and you'll get some pretty honest feedback.
|
04-16-2015, 04:20 PM | #24 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
|
5kayakboy69
I'll def be looking in the classifieds on here and RCgroups for deals. I think I just need to be patient and think it over rather than making a purchase that isn't fully thought out. CrashNburn420 Thank you. I will do this in the future for ads I find. Based on what some of you said I've decided to skip the flybarred heli(unless I find an insane deal on a 450 3D, and continue on flybarless. I can always find flybarred heli's for much lower than flybarless though so it was tempting when perusing craigslist.
__________________
“I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things. ” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 450X - Spedix S250 - MCPX BL (RIP) - DX6i - RealFlight 7.5 |
04-16-2015, 04:56 PM | #25 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Jan 2013
|
DCFlyer and RonM3313 really summed it up. If you fly what you can afford, and sim. when you aren't able to fly, you'll be much happier than not flying or worrying about a crash.
The over-riding rule should always be to not out-fly one's abilities, therefore always bringing it home safe. Of course things happen and parts break unexpectedly (even with proper maintenance and inspection--they are tiny models after all), and at some point it'll go in. If it has a hard landing, a smaller machine will generally have less broken parts than a larger machine, and the parts will also cost less. If it wads up, well, you can figure the cost of a re-kit, but that's usually only with larger machines. Remember too, bearings, LiPos, and other parts are "consumable," they have to be replaced periodically. |
04-16-2015, 06:31 PM | #26 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2011
|
I always check the classifieds here and on runryder.
__________________
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." GAUI NX7, TREX 600N, Goblin 570, Gaui X3L, DX7G2, AMA#970963 Citizen 420 |
04-16-2015, 09:27 PM | #27 (permalink) | |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2015
|
Quote:
both are good i got my 450 clone for 200 bucks without a battery or tx im assuming you have a 6 ch+transmitter right |
|
04-17-2015, 01:39 AM | #28 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
I would go x3 haven't head one bad thing suposto be tuff ... also msh. Mini love every thing they do keep it a plastic fantastic and bingo cheep to fix ..
|
04-17-2015, 02:48 AM | #29 (permalink) | |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2012
|
Quote:
A VERY similar HK charger (eco six) nearly set my house on fire A good charger is a must. The charger overcharged a cell to 4.44v but the charger said that it was still at 3.9v
__________________
Alex Fleet: Miniprotos Flock: cockatiel and congo african grey |
|
04-17-2015, 02:54 AM | #30 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2011
|
I have heard of issues with the eco six charger but never wit the accucell chargers. I probably know ten or more people that have been using them for years. Expensive doesn't always mean high quality. Look at the icharger 4010 duos that were catching on fire.
__________________
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." GAUI NX7, TREX 600N, Goblin 570, Gaui X3L, DX7G2, AMA#970963 Citizen 420 |
04-17-2015, 05:29 AM | #31 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: May 2012
|
Sorry about you house man! Wondering were you balance charging? New batteries or old? Any details? The safest method of charging is at the field. If it's outside doesn't really matter if a battery catches fire.
|
04-17-2015, 08:20 AM | #32 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
|
How much room do you have to fly? Is there a field you can use close by?
|
04-17-2015, 09:11 AM | #33 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2013
|
Given your budget, you might like to hear my crash costs from my last 250 burial.
It hit hard enough to sink one blade half way into the ground, smashed the skids, snapped the feathering shaft and separated both blades from the model, bent the main shaft, made a main bearing notchy, snapped the boom supports and stripped a servo gear. Total part cost: Under £11 The blades all survived fine, took me 60 mins to repair everything, and then a few mins to level the swash and set the blade tracking. I crashed it yesterday, and got it back in the air this afternoon to finish my remaining 5 packs.
__________________
Helis: Oxy 4 Max (day + night), Gaui X3 380, Oxy2 FE 215, Oxy2 Sport 190 Radio & FBL: Spartan Vortex, MSH Brain, Jeti DS-14, Spektrum DX8G2 Sims: RealFlight & AccuRC |
04-17-2015, 01:25 PM | #34 (permalink) | ||
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
|
Quote:
I just wish I could fly a 180 and a 450 before I buy ha, to see if the 180 will suit my upgrading needs. Quote:
Just curious how the 250 compares to the 180 in flight, crash ability, parts availability, and power. With it being slightly larger than the 180 i'd definitely be interested. I believe for $500 I could have the 250 RTF kit, a couple more batteries, and some spare parts. http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...s-dfc-rtf.html It always comes back down to parts availability to me though. So for $500 I could have the blade 450 BNF kit(330), another battery(30), and either a DC charger or a power supply for the charger that comes with the kit (150). But that eats up my budget and no sim. How does the 450 bnf kit battery hold up for charging? Will it suffice untill I can get a better charger? Maybe I should just call it a day and get the 180cfx. It is the most cost effective solution for me right now. Also there are so many parts available for it right now downtime would be 1 day to a week at most.
__________________
“I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things. ” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 450X - Spedix S250 - MCPX BL (RIP) - DX6i - RealFlight 7.5 |
||
04-17-2015, 03:35 PM | #35 (permalink) | ||||||
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2013
|
Hey Vodarac,
Yup, I'm indeed talking about the Align Trex 250, I'm a big fan. It's about as small as you can get while still being a full blown CP helicopter with separate FBL controller, servos, ESC. I haven't flown a 180CFX myself so I can't compare it to that, but I can tell you that the 250 is a different class to the BL. I used to have a pair of BLs for flying in the garden and put well over 700 flights on them in 9 months, but just couldn't bring myself to fly them after experiencing the 250 and sold them both last year. If you do consider a 250 I personally wouldn't recommend new, I'd buy second hand if you can, especially if you're interested in 3D flight. The new kits will include the Align ESC and 3GX, and while both are ok there are better options. For me the ideal Trex 250 combination is:
In terms of crash-ability I would guess that the 250 and 180 are fairly similar, both can bounce off grass if you hit throttle hold quickly enough, but both can need a few repairs if you hit hard, neither of them will take a hit quite as well as the BL, but then you're never going to short the tail or kill a main board either :-) Power wise it's a bit of a monster, especially if you fit a 16t pinion and drop some weight, I typically fly 4200rpm and it's got way more punch than the BL at that and I can push it to 4500rpm if I want! If you've got a decent back yard, this is where I fly my 250:
And just for fun, a night flight in the garden too
And my last crash list: The crash I had before that was 4500rpm straight into the ground. Total damage was under a fiver:
PS. And yes, that's two high speed crashes with the same set of blades, and they've had a couple of tipovers and minor impacts too. One blade has a little damage now on the trailing edge, but both blades are mechanically sound and still fly great with no vibes.
__________________
Helis: Oxy 4 Max (day + night), Gaui X3 380, Oxy2 FE 215, Oxy2 Sport 190 Radio & FBL: Spartan Vortex, MSH Brain, Jeti DS-14, Spektrum DX8G2 Sims: RealFlight & AccuRC |
||||||
04-17-2015, 03:54 PM | #36 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
|
myxiplx
Thank you for your detailed reply. I'll be sure to read over it again and check out both videos. I just have one question and its about parts availability. I frequent HeliDirect.com in the USA and their align 250 replacement parts don't seem very inclusive These are the "Upgrade Parts" selection http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...lign/t-rex-250 These are the "Replacement Parts" selection http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...t-rex-250-plus I'm sure there are other retailers stateside that offer parts for this heli so if anyone knows that could chime in(Please let me know ). Finding a 250 used seems easier said than done though, otherwise I would be happy to pick up a used one. It seems 180s and 130s are much more prevent in this size in the FS sections that I frequent. The new kit I linked comes in at 383 Total and comes with a transmitter and balancer/charger, tho I have no idea how good of a transmitter. In stock trim, would the 250 be ok for someone like me though? I understand there are ways to make it better but at my level flying stock would probably be best for now so are the 250 stock ESC(RCE-BL15X Brushless ESC ), and FBL controller (3GX MRS Programmable Flybarless System) good enough for someone coming from the mcpx BL and getting into more serious bigger birds? I ask because I know absolutely nothing about Align birds as I'd planned to continue down the Blade route. Those are about all the questions I have for now but again, thanks for your reply.
__________________
“I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things. ” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 450X - Spedix S250 - MCPX BL (RIP) - DX6i - RealFlight 7.5 |
04-17-2015, 04:10 PM | #37 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Apr 2013
|
Yeah, the 180CFX is a new model and very popular so you're going to see those sold everywhere, with parts to spare too. The 180 probably has a slightly easier learning curve too, it comes RTF with instructions for most Spektrum transmitters I believe, the 250 is much more like a large kit with a lot of configuration you'll have to do yourself.
I can't comment on resellers I'm afraid, I'm in the UK and we've got a ton of resellers with great stock of 250 parts, I'm generally spoilt for choice, but I also picked up a spare flybarred model that was going cheap and I just salvage parts from that now :-) Second hand here in the UK you can get a 250 with batteries for around £100-£120, but it's not something you're going to see listed every week. A stock 250 would be plenty good enough as you're learning, I went to the 250 because I'd hit the limits of what I could practice on the BL, I couldn't do piro flips or tic-tocks on it, and funnels were just crazy. Because of that I went straight into learning 3D on the 250 and I found that the stock 3GX controller on the 250 really didn't cope too well with tic-tocks, the main rotor used to wobble like crazy on hard stops. It was still pretty good though, I could do funnels, hurricanes, rainbows and piro flips, it was only hard stops that showed up the limitations of the 3GX. At the end of the day, while I do like my 250, I think either the 180CFX or a 250 would suit you just fine :-)
__________________
Helis: Oxy 4 Max (day + night), Gaui X3 380, Oxy2 FE 215, Oxy2 Sport 190 Radio & FBL: Spartan Vortex, MSH Brain, Jeti DS-14, Spektrum DX8G2 Sims: RealFlight & AccuRC |
04-17-2015, 09:14 PM | #38 (permalink) |
Registered Users
|
My thoughts to maximize your budget:
Heli: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...pter_BNF_.html $258.68 Charger:http://www.hobbypartz.com/73p-ac680-accharger.html A great first charger. I still use mine ALL the time. Its great for indoor winter flying also. $56.95 Lipo: http://www.headsuphobby.com/111v-220...plug-F-216.htm $22.95 each (other connectors can be picked) Parts: http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...pro-sport.html $6.99 http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...x-450-pro.html $7.99 http://www.helidirect.com/helicopter...ft-h45166.html $11.99 http://www.helidirect.com/blades/mai...lades-fbl.html $19.99 Sim: Get a free one. I think there are a few of them. Not as nice as Phoenix or Real Flight but will get ya going. You will still need a cord (Tx to computer) that I did not list. $385.54 total for the above items not including shipping. You can get Tarot parts and even save more money. This option gives you a NEW heli (not top of the line but will get ya going). A charger that charges up to 6amps AC or DC and is very reliable. A DC only charger is better but this is about best bang for the buck. The Heads Up lipo's are again a great bang for your buck. You also get parts for the first crash (at least the normal crash stuff). The heli can be upgraded with Tarot or Align parts (like I listed) after a crash. This option gives you the MOST bang for your buck.
__________________
LOGO 200, DIABOLO 550, DIABOLO 800, SOXOS 7.1 VCONTROL*NEO*TRIBUNUS*MKS*VTX*DPL8 W/BUMP CONTROL*MEANWELL |
04-17-2015, 09:47 PM | #39 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
|
Corvette & Copter Guy
Are these HK/Hobby King clones really 100% direct copies of the Align helis? As in 100% of the parts are compatible? I knew some parts were but didn't know how much. I've looked into the HK stuff but wasn't sure about reliability with the Turnigy electronics, and HK hardware/parts with them being knock off.
__________________
“I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things. ” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 450X - Spedix S250 - MCPX BL (RIP) - DX6i - RealFlight 7.5 |
04-17-2015, 10:11 PM | #40 (permalink) | |
Registered Users
|
Quote:
__________________
LOGO 200, DIABOLO 550, DIABOLO 800, SOXOS 7.1 VCONTROL*NEO*TRIBUNUS*MKS*VTX*DPL8 W/BUMP CONTROL*MEANWELL |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|