This is what practice gets you.

[Otto Rotation]

This was September:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSlYTJoxwdU


This was yesteday:

spin (1 min 16 sec)

[Himilou]

WOOT!!

Im going to practice right now!

[Otto Rotation]

I just wanted to post this for anyone who's frustrated or sick of repetition or whatever. Just stay at it and you'll make breakthroughs.

Right now I'm practicing about 2 to 3 hours once every few days.

I constantly, constantly do piroflips. Always trying to improve them. I'm getting better at walking them back and forth across the field and steering them around by putting the disc at different angles. I can sometimes pull off a kaos, but not on demand.

[gitbse]

It's pretty cool to have been a part of this forum section for so long, and watch so many people improve by leaps and bounds.

Keep it up!

[ArchmageAU]

Fantastic!!!

[jmtyndall]

Holy Smokes! Great improvement. I'm hoping to get there myself. But I can't seem to master 360/360 piroflips. I want to get those down, then increase it to a full tail rotation in a half flip

[Otto Rotation]

I spent many hours practicing with the sim speed reduced to ~50% and then slowly increased it over time.

I also spent a lot of time adjusting flip and roll rates in the sim (RealFlight) - I started at around 240 degrees roll rates and 360 degrees piro rate. This at 50 to 75 percent physics speed is where I found to be the "sweet spot" for learning to control the heli through all the orientations of piroflips.

Now I fly in the sim with roll rates between 360 and 420 degrees and a piro rate of 720. I found if I go below 360 I tend to get out of sync. I've tried roll rates as fast as 640, but the sticks become too touchy.

In real life I don't fly as abusively/aggressively. I keep my roll rates at around 300 (IKON/Brain) and a piro rate of 720. I'm probably going to increase the roll rates a bit more, I'm trying to get it as close to feeling like the sim as I can.

I also want to learn to do kaos consistently. I can't do them on demand, they just happen sometimes when I get into a rhythm w/ piroflips. At like 0:44 in the vid there are a couple of kaos, or at least what I understand a kaos to be: piroflips where the disc flips sideways as well as vertically.

[gitbse]

Originally Posted by Otto Rotation

I spent many hours practicing with the sim speed reduced to ~50% and then slowly increased it over time.

Bingo. I did that for a long time. That helped me start being able to fly hurricanes and funnels, and start learning "awkward" orientations.

Originally Posted by Otto Rotation

Now I fly in the sim with roll rates between 360 and 420 degrees and a piro rate of 720. I found if I go below 360 I tend to get out of sync. I've tried roll rates as fast as 640, but the sticks become too touchy.

That's the next step, is finding where you are best, and especially stick control inside the outer stick limits. I noticed that in your 2nd video that the rudder was pegged full. That's fine! But, the next step is learning full control over varying rates. Piro control is difficult enough, but full rate piro control is that much more. It will come with time.

I fly with roll rates of 320 all around, seems best for my flying style. 360 I can see, but I can't imagine much more than that! To each their own though.

[Otto Rotation]

Yeah it was pegged because I was just trying to go as fast as possible and be all crazy. I don't normally fly like that.