Kontronik 120+ HV and 700MX

[colcha]

I have just placed an order for a new 700e 3GX kit

I would love to use a Kontronik Jive 120+ HV with this kit but have heard that some people have experienced issues using this ESC in combination with the stock 700MX motor eg. failure to start up, power loss, etc. Do I need to be concerned about this issue and are there any workarounds? I would really like to use the stock 700MX if possible.

[Blink 182]

Use mode 10 KSA Mode. Thats all that needs to be done :-)

[colcha]

Thanks for the input Blink 182.

For those of you who voted "No, I have had issues with this combination", did you try using mode 10 KSA Mode and did this make any difference?

[Blink 182]

I didnt have any problems during the first few flights but when I started to push it, it would shut down.

[colcha]

Originally Posted by Blink 182

I didnt have any problems during the first few flights but when I started to push it, it would shut down.

Blink 182 - has this problem ever arisen again after you started using Mode 10?

Given the number of people who have voted "No" on the poll, I am starting to think that maybe I should avoid using this combination.

[Blink 182]

Its been fine ever since I added mode 10. :-)

[helicraze]

Is the 80HV ok? I flew the original 700M motor on the 80HV and it would shut down, got a 120HV and KSA mode and still shut down when flying hard.

Sold the heli and now wondering if the MX motor and 80HV will be ok? I wanted to use the caslte but it did not even spool up and burst into flames!

[Blink 182]

80hv and MX are ok.

[petter268]

It has been nice after I programmed mode 10 ON.

[Matt Nasca]

Originally Posted by petter268

It has been nice after I programmed mode 10 ON.

+1

[StatiC]

I wonder how many people are still having problems even with mode 10? This is certainly holding me up from ordering a Jive 80+ HV.

I have never really needed a Kontronic ESC for my 6s 600 or 3s 450 Trex helis that I flew. I owned and flew 2 Jazz ESCs on the 450 helis so I have experience with them. The default Align ESCs actually worked great for me and had a very good gov mode on them (based on elogger rpm and amp graphs comparing the Jazz, CC 100, and Align) so I ended up going back to the Align ESCs. Now that I have a 700e and I needed to ship my new in package CC Ice 120hv to CC for the recall I want another ESC to get me going sooner rather than later.

I have been looking at HV ESCs with gov modes like the YGE 120HV, Jive 80+ HV, Scorpion 130A Opto (V-700), Schulze 100A HV and was leaning toward the scorpion for features and price and Jive 80+ HV for even more features but higher cost. Now I am reading about problems with the Jive and the 700MX motor . I will not be buying a new motor so the speed controller I buy must work reliably with it.

Maybe I should have just bought the same Trex 600 model on 6s that I had 2 years ago which had almost enough power that I ever needed and stick with Align 75A ESC. Heli life was so easy then. It only needed 1 battery and the stock ESC worked great, etc.

I would be very upset if I spent so much more on a Jive and then it started shutting down on me... Especially if it caused a crash. I plan to fly F3C/sport type flying so I don't expect many crashes(not that others expect them based on my previous Trex 600 experience which I went 1.5 years with only a forced slightly hard auto into soft tall grass because of battery cable coming unplugged and then toward the end of my flying with a grass cutting incident which had surprisingly very little damage.

Anyone have any more input on this issue so that I can get an idea what my chances are of having this issue even with mode 10? I still am not sure what all mode 10 does besides being less sensitive to over-amping and a little concerned about that mode actually.

[Blink 182]

You wont have any problems using mode 10. The 700MX doesnt have enough power to overamp a Jive.

[Gernejr]

I 've been running the Kontronik HV80 with MX510 setup was mod 1 then mod 11 only. I've also used the mx530 and Xera 470 and have NOT had any problems with any of these motors. Maybe the hemmingbone 110/11 gears I'm using helps. Headspeed set at 2050HS. Motor ,ESC and batterys all come down cool.

Yes this heli has been flown on hard.

[ANIMAL.03]

From what ive read mode 10 was for the 700M, but for the newer 700MX they recomend mode 11.

Quote from Align 700MX page "●Suitable for Castle、Kontronik HV series 80A and up ESCs (120A and up ESC recommended for 3D flights).
●“Fixed Endpoints” or “Governor Mode” can be used on Castle ESC’s.
●We recommend setting Mode4(Heli Mode) or Mode11(Heli Mode with constant RPM control) when used with Kontronik ESC’s."

Has anyone used this Just wondering if it works ok compared to mode 10.
Thanks

[Mystic3D]

Originally Posted by ANIMAL.03

From what ive read mode 10 was for the 700M, but for the newer 700MX they recomend mode 11.

Quote from Align 700MX page "

Mode 10 was required by Align as you stated for the 700 MX.
Mode 10 with the 700 MX was not required. It is hit or miss with needing Mode 10 with the MX. For some(me) I did not need Mode 10. I could use Mode 4 or Mode 11, no problem.

Mode 4 or 11 is always required and choosing one or the other has no effect on throttle cut. It's mode 10 that can resolve it in some cases.

Mode 10 is KSA Mode; special application mode.

[StatiC]

Hmmm... I didn't realize it was only suggested in the manual for the 700M motor and not the 700MX.

I am thinking about making a poll for the 700MX motor and mode 10 with the Jive ESC. I am thinking about the following choices. Sound like a good list of choices?

For those with Jive 80+ HV ESC controllers and 700MX (not 700M or any other motor) are you using mode 10 on the ESC to prevent cutouts with the 700MX motor?

- Had ESC cutoffs with 700MX without mode 10 so now using mode 10.
- Started using 700MX with mode 10 from the start so don't know if it would have problems without it.
- Works fine for me without mode 10 and have tested full pitch climbs.
- Works fine for me without mode 10 but I am just hovering or very low pitch flying.

[Vinger]

Run both the 510 and 530 versions (MX) in my TDR, with 120HV. J-log logs up to 6kW and have not seen any bad tendencies.

[Helioop]

As I understand it, only the Align 700m motor needs mode 10 to avoid current spike shutdowns. However, I've also used mode 10 with the 700mx & 500mx motors as a precaution and had no problems.

If you want to test your setup for a need for mode 10, program your setup without mode 10, then do large full-throttle pitch-pumps or a few short full-power climb-outs. If the ESC doesn't shut down from these power spikes, you don't need mode 10. I could shut down my 700m setup consistently with this method.

[helicraze]

I wonder does the mode 10 actually make the heli less powerfull or just dumb down the software overcurrent shutdown of the esc???

I know the hardware limit cannot be changed

[Helioop]

I flew my 700 both with and without mode 10, and am quite sure there is no power loss using mode 10. I'm pretty sure it raises an overprotective voltage spike ceiling in the software. I've not been able to find out if it does this buy raising the maximum current limit, by allowing high current for longer, or by disabling the current protection loop altogether.

What I do know is that I am using mode 10 on an 80+ HV on my 700e for five minutes of medium-hard 3D. It makes tons of power and the ESC lands just warm to the touch, so there is lots of headroom in these things, just like the "+" designates.