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thunderhead · 07-11-2008, 01:33 AM

I didn't read all the way back but, is your pinion tight.It seems like as soon as you are loading the blades it starts reving higher like the pinion is spinning on the shaft.

Heli Yea! · 07-11-2008, 02:10 AM

Nice Thunder,
I'm thinking it's a mechanical problem too! Something is making that motor work too hard. That's spot on, It's gotta be the one way bearing or the PINION well done!

was trying to think of what else could cause the motor to work so hard DUH

that little thing on the motor! Oh the simple things, they stump us all.

P.S. Andy I remember something about some spinning mentioned earlyer on in the thread. A loose pinion will do that! This case will close soon enough for you!

overclocker · 07-12-2008, 02:17 PM

Castle has learned of a slight incompatibility of the CC BEC with the SPEKTRUM AR 6100, 6200, 7000, JR 790 ScanSelect, and JR 2100 ScanSelect Synthesized receivers. There is a very easy work around for our customers who already have the CC BEC and we are making modifications to the components of all new CC BECs that are built from Nov. 1, 2007, forward.

The simple explanation is that the CC BEC, like most Castle products, is designed to be USB linkable via the signal wire on the servo connector. As part of that, the CC BEC will pull the signal wire to ground unless it is sending a signal on that line. Nothing out of the ordinary with this. Similarly, the Spektrum team designed these receivers to look for a grounded signal pin on the battery port in order to initiate binding. Nothing strange there either. Castle does something similar with our Berg receivers. The problem is that the two designs result in the CC BEC triggering the receiver's binding mode immediately upon power up. We have redesigned the CC BEC to facilitate the USB activities without initiating the binding mode.

For those of you with the affected CC BECs and Spektrum receivers there are at least three solutions:

Remove the orange signal wire from the CC BEC RX power lead before you plug the lead into the battery port on the receiver.
Plug the entire/intact lead from the CC BEC into any other port on the receiver.
Use a "Y" connector to plug the entire CC BEC lead into any port other than the BATT port on the receiver.

If you are unsatisfied with any of the above solutions, please simply send your CC BEC to Castle for upgrade.
Please note that this incompatibility will be immediately apparent. There are no known issues after the system is successfully powered up.

Thanks!
Team Castle

thought i would throw that in there in case anyone has problems with that bec
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Jonnyheli · 07-13-2008, 06:28 AM

BUMP.

Some really good info up there ^^

Heli Yea! · 07-13-2008, 12:25 PM

Good Call Johnny!

(bump2)

Ronniebiggs · 07-13-2008, 03:04 PM

Thats interesting. Dont think it is that. I used to plug the connector into a different hole. Now I have it in Batt hole of the reciever. I will change it over again and then I will remove the gear and check it. I have a spare set of gears so could change that and have a go. I will also have a look at thinks binding however my heli spins so free and easy I just cant see it been a binding issue.

Thanks for the input.

Andy

Jonnyheli · 07-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Oh well.. Why dont you send the heli to me and i'll fix it?

-Jonny

Grant_beltcp · 07-14-2008, 02:20 PM

As I said before, if your going by Birmingham anytime i can take a look and test it with my spare spare belt cp/trex 450 bits ( i have loads of spare motors etc lol)

Ian 777 · 07-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Thats a good offer Andy, Grant only had to look at my heli and it cured itself and hasn't glitched since.

Jonnyheli · 07-14-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian 777

Grant only had to look at my heli and it cured itself and hasn't glitched since.

LOL

Ronniebiggs · 07-29-2008, 11:42 AM

Thanks Grant for the offer. Dont get over there very often. Will be mid to end of sept before I get anywhere near. Still probably wont get the dam thingt done by then. I havent touched it now for a few months. Its still sat there on top of my fridge but I just dont seem to find the time to strip it down and start a fresh. I was going to try heliguy and see if I could pay them to fix it but I dont think they will as most the parts havent been bought from them.

I think it could be the ESC still not the motor but cant get finished early enough to call the shop I got the ESC from.

Andy

Heli Yea! · 08-09-2008, 05:11 PM

Hey Andy, Guess What? I just did a tail rebuild on my belt added new Trex 325GF blades. Had a little time today gave it some hops to adjust the tail in the living room then oops hit the couch(everything checked, everything good

) proceeded to finish setup of tail spun it up and up and up WTF I thought, no lift? Now I haven't got it zeroed in yet but I will! So, Andy I don't have a comp.TX, no 2.4g, Just stock Tx ,carbon Belt cnc head/tl. upgraded servos,Esc. This is to prove that it's a mechanical problem My set up is good, pitch range fine, good mesh/all teeth on main G, no belt issues and I really think Thunder Nailed it with the pinion. Here's why my new blades are heavy, my main gear is really tough, tail good, when I hit the couch somthings gotta give(the feathering shaft didn't even bend). I think that the main spun the pinion (it will still be tight on the motor but speed/tork will spin it). I'm going to take mine off first thing and loctite it back on, as well as some other tests, well we haven't heard from ya in a while and when my heli didn't lift I figured I'd check in. I'll report back w/ my findings.

Heli Yea! · 08-09-2008, 11:55 PM

Andy, a few hrs of fiddlin and diddlin and we have lift off!!!!! It was not the pinion

the feathering shaft WAS slightly bent

couldn't tell unless you took It out, but not the entire problem either. The problem was.............Loose Ball Links ( the actual balls not the rods

) in the head throwing off the pitch in the blades while spun up only and holding negative pitch! It also threw off the tracking. Please check all ball links and screws in the head. After tightening them I had lift off and good tracking blades without any further adjustments. I hope this gets it done for you too!!!!!

P.S. this is what is covered with this fix brown outs, no lift, appearance of set up good, proper wiring, and good head speed

DierWolf · 08-10-2008, 11:49 AM

LOL thats all i have to say

Heli Yea! · 10-08-2008, 04:11 PM

bump!

Lets grab the bull by the balls because grabbing the horns didn't work!

Ian 777 · 10-25-2008, 01:26 AM

Bump

Thats 245 posts of frustration misery and despair finally laid to rest

Go getm Andy

07-11-2008, 01:33 AM	#221 (permalink)
thunderhead Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008	I didn't read all the way back but, is your pinion tight.It seems like as soon as you are loading the blades it starts reving higher like the pinion is spinning on the shaft. __________________ Keep the smoke inside the wires. --------------------------------------------------------------- E Smart 550 full metal with various mods Helipro Blackhawk full metal swash&head carbon mains&boom Helipro Blackhawk bone stock carbon mains. Belt CP bone stock.

07-11-2008, 02:10 AM	#222 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	Nice Thunder, I'm thinking it's a mechanical problem too! Something is making that motor work too hard. That's spot on, It's gotta be the one way bearing or the PINION well done! was trying to think of what else could cause the motor to work so hard DUH that little thing on the motor! Oh the simple things, they stump us all. P.S. Andy I remember something about some spinning mentioned earlyer on in the thread. A loose pinion will do that! This case will close soon enough for you! __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range! Last edited by Heli Yea!; 07-11-2008 at 02:18 AM.. Reason: added the P.S.

07-12-2008, 02:17 PM	#223 (permalink)
overclocker Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	Castle has learned of a slight incompatibility of the CC BEC with the SPEKTRUM AR 6100, 6200, 7000, JR 790 ScanSelect, and JR 2100 ScanSelect Synthesized receivers. There is a very easy work around for our customers who already have the CC BEC and we are making modifications to the components of all new CC BECs that are built from Nov. 1, 2007, forward. The simple explanation is that the CC BEC, like most Castle products, is designed to be USB linkable via the signal wire on the servo connector. As part of that, the CC BEC will pull the signal wire to ground unless it is sending a signal on that line. Nothing out of the ordinary with this. Similarly, the Spektrum team designed these receivers to look for a grounded signal pin on the battery port in order to initiate binding. Nothing strange there either. Castle does something similar with our Berg receivers. The problem is that the two designs result in the CC BEC triggering the receiver's binding mode immediately upon power up. We have redesigned the CC BEC to facilitate the USB activities without initiating the binding mode. For those of you with the affected CC BECs and Spektrum receivers there are at least three solutions: Remove the orange signal wire from the CC BEC RX power lead before you plug the lead into the battery port on the receiver. Plug the entire/intact lead from the CC BEC into any other port on the receiver. Use a "Y" connector to plug the entire CC BEC lead into any port other than the BATT port on the receiver. If you are unsatisfied with any of the above solutions, please simply send your CC BEC to Castle for upgrade. Please note that this incompatibility will be immediately apparent. There are no known issues after the system is successfully powered up. Thanks! Team Castle thought i would throw that in there in case anyone has problems with that bec __________________ __________________ blade 400- 285 cyclic-spartan gyro with 3500 on tail cc phoenix-35 esc trex 500 cf. work in progress full throttle, ill figure it out from there

07-13-2008, 06:28 AM	#224 (permalink)
Jonnyheli Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2008	BUMP. Some really good info up there ^^ __________________ Spektrum DX7, Align Trex 250se, Align Trex 500cf, Align Trex 600n LE

07-13-2008, 12:25 PM	#225 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	Good Call Johnny!(bump2) __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

07-13-2008, 03:04 PM	#226 (permalink)
Ronniebiggs Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Thats interesting. Dont think it is that. I used to plug the connector into a different hole. Now I have it in Batt hole of the reciever. I will change it over again and then I will remove the gear and check it. I have a spare set of gears so could change that and have a go. I will also have a look at thinks binding however my heli spins so free and easy I just cant see it been a binding issue. Thanks for the input. Andy

07-14-2008, 01:16 PM	#227 (permalink)
Jonnyheli Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2008	Oh well.. Why dont you send the heli to me and i'll fix it? -Jonny __________________ Spektrum DX7, Align Trex 250se, Align Trex 500cf, Align Trex 600n LE

07-14-2008, 02:20 PM	#228 (permalink)
Grant_beltcp Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2008	As I said before, if your going by Birmingham anytime i can take a look and test it with my spare spare belt cp/trex 450 bits ( i have loads of spare motors etc lol) __________________ Sponsored by - Team Align UK- CSM - MKS Servo's UK - Kontronik Drives T-rex 700E v2 - 700E DFC

07-14-2008, 04:09 PM	#229 (permalink)
Ian 777 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Thats a good offer Andy, Grant only had to look at my heli and it cured itself and hasn't glitched since. __________________ Trex 500 ESP Phoenix Flasher 450 Frankenbelt

07-29-2008, 11:42 AM	#231 (permalink)
Ronniebiggs Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Thanks Grant for the offer. Dont get over there very often. Will be mid to end of sept before I get anywhere near. Still probably wont get the dam thingt done by then. I havent touched it now for a few months. Its still sat there on top of my fridge but I just dont seem to find the time to strip it down and start a fresh. I was going to try heliguy and see if I could pay them to fix it but I dont think they will as most the parts havent been bought from them. I think it could be the ESC still not the motor but cant get finished early enough to call the shop I got the ESC from. Andy

08-09-2008, 05:11 PM	#232 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	BREAKTHROUGH OR BRAKEDOWN? Hey Andy, Guess What? I just did a tail rebuild on my belt added new Trex 325GF blades. Had a little time today gave it some hops to adjust the tail in the living room then oops hit the couch(everything checked, everything good) proceeded to finish setup of tail spun it up and up and up WTF I thought, no lift? Now I haven't got it zeroed in yet but I will! So, Andy I don't have a comp.TX, no 2.4g, Just stock Tx ,carbon Belt cnc head/tl. upgraded servos,Esc. This is to prove that it's a mechanical problem My set up is good, pitch range fine, good mesh/all teeth on main G, no belt issues and I really think Thunder Nailed it with the pinion. Here's why my new blades are heavy, my main gear is really tough, tail good, when I hit the couch somthings gotta give(the feathering shaft didn't even bend). I think that the main spun the pinion (it will still be tight on the motor but speed/tork will spin it). I'm going to take mine off first thing and loctite it back on, as well as some other tests, well we haven't heard from ya in a while and when my heli didn't lift I figured I'd check in. I'll report back w/ my findings. __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

08-09-2008, 11:55 PM	#233 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	WE HAVE LIFT OFF!!!!!!! Andy, a few hrs of fiddlin and diddlin and we have lift off!!!!! It was not the pinion the feathering shaft WAS slightly bent couldn't tell unless you took It out, but not the entire problem either. The problem was.............Loose Ball Links ( the actual balls not the rods) in the head throwing off the pitch in the blades while spun up only and holding negative pitch! It also threw off the tracking. Please check all ball links and screws in the head. After tightening them I had lift off and good tracking blades without any further adjustments. I hope this gets it done for you too!!!!! P.S. this is what is covered with this fix brown outs, no lift, appearance of set up good, proper wiring, and good head speed __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range! Last edited by Heli Yea!; 08-10-2008 at 02:29 PM..

08-10-2008, 11:49 AM	#234 (permalink)
DierWolf My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2007	LOL thats all i have to say

10-08-2008, 04:11 PM	#235 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	bump bump! Lets grab the bull by the balls because grabbing the horns didn't work! __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

10-25-2008, 01:26 AM	#236 (permalink)
Ian 777 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Bump Thats 245 posts of frustration misery and despair finally laid to rest Go getm Andy __________________ Trex 500 ESP Phoenix Flasher 450 Frankenbelt

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