New 600 Dominator

[raptor50luvver]

I saw on the rotors show some hints of a new 600 coming out,if so please build a sensible tail ratio into this one

Also a 550 both built around the design of the brilliant 700 .

[ame]http://youtu.be/NTlkGMj1eaI[/ame]

[simon1980]

I watched it through and could only hear about the 600 pro maybe getting altered. A 550 dominator would interest me though, lets hope so .

[ReadyToCrash]

very long video. do you know when he talks about changes on trex 600?
there is this video about 550 dominator:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzIwNDY2ODY0.html?x

[goodhunting]

Love the blade strike at the end of the video....

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[satgod]

How many times are they going to re-invent the wheel

[ReadyToCrash]

i hope this will be the last time for a long long time.
they need to fix some issues 600efl has and i think the new 550L dominator frame will be used on 600 dominator too.

[Pille95]

Are there any news about the new 600 dominator?

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by Pille95

Are there any news about the new 600 dominator?

I don't think there is any doubt that the new 600 will be a stretch of the recently unveiled 550L, with 12s power rather than the 550's 6s.

So take a look at the pictures of the 550 already online and imagine the blades and boom 50mm longer and you have it.

[Flyingzook]

Originally Posted by Grumpy_Old_Man

So take a look at the pictures of the 550 already online and imagine the blades and boom 50mm longer and you have it.

The rotor head on the 550L photos have 600 DFC written on it too.

[prokyon]

Anyone considering running 600 Dominator on 10s?

[szaki75]

Originally Posted by prokyon

Anyone considering running 600 Dominator on 10s?

What sense would it make?

[prokyon]

Originally Posted by szaki75

What sense would it make?

Lower operating costs, less time charging and more time in the air.

I have an iCharger 306B (10S, 30A max charge current) and it maxes out charging my 6 6S 1300mAh Align 450L packs at a reasonable 3.85C charge speed: max current rating is 30A for that charger. So I want to maximize power, i.e. Wattage and minimize current in order to get fast charge times, hence I want 10S.

I can charge 3 10S packs in parallel at 30/(3*4) = 2.5C, for a 4000mAh pack (which is cheap enough):
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...Lipo_Pack.html

If I get another charger and power supply, then I can charge 6 10S in parallel at 2.85C, which is good enough for me.

12S 3300mAh packs give me 30/(3*2*3.3) = 1.5C charge rating. So I get 12S at 1.5C and 10S at 2.85C, which is quite a bit difference.

[nmdesertracer]

We def need a new 600. To bad they couldnt put the new speed fuse in the kit.

[raptor50luvver]

Hopefully they make it a flexible airframe to allow various setups,i bet they wont though.

By this is mean a long enough boom to run at least 620s,adjustable motor mount to allow gearing options and different motors to fit,700 can size,optional tail ratios(4.5) .

And lets break the mould and see a low headpseed flight instead of the usual very high headspeed,demonstrating its a ability to run slow and efficient like many users require.

Most of the other heli brands are very user friendly on setup options,Align have been very much take it or leave it with their helis lately,hence why i have not been buying them and have been flying ,Mikado,Thunder Tiger and Agile instead.

If their business model it to sell an out of the box package,designed to run in a config they build it to run at then i wont go back to being a customer for sure,but a user friendly and flexible Rex 600 would get my attention.

[ReadyToCrash]

The new frame will allow you to have many configurations, I think. The current trex600efl frame doesn’t allow you to use a bigger motor, for example, because it touches the servos if you try. The new frame won’t have this problem as far as I can see from the photos.
The tail ratio is 3.85 so you won’t be able to run low hs. You’ll have to change the front tt gears on your own if you want a 4.5 ratio and maybe it isn’t a perfect fit.
I don’t believe there will be a boom/tt so you can run 620mm blades.
Unfortunately align is not looking for flexible models. Their helis come in a package and I agree with you that more options should be available for a model. I don’t see them changing their policy, though. Competitors make a huge mistake regarding align. They sell good products, in some cases even superior to align, but their helis are expensive (very) and parts aren’t widely available.

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by prokyon

Lower operating costs, less time charging and more time in the air.

12s is no more expensive than 5s and charge time is the same. In fact if you are amp limited on your charger the higher voltage 6s packs could charge quicker than the 5s packs (assuming the 5s packs are slightly larger to compensate for the higher amps you need to pull out of them). Flight time will also be virtually identical, if anything possibly a marginal advantage to 12s.

There is a lot of bunk talked about different cell count options.

[prokyon]

Originally Posted by Grumpy_Old_Man

12s is no more expensive than 5s and charge time is the same. In fact if you are amp limited on your charger the higher voltage 6s packs could charge quicker than the 5s packs (assuming the 5s packs are slightly larger to compensate for the higher amps you need to pull out of them). Flight time will also be virtually identical, if anything possibly a marginal advantage to 12s.

There is a lot of bunk talked about different cell count options.

With a 10S charger, I get 12S at 1.5C (six 6S packs for 3 actual flight packs) and 10S at 2.85C, which is quite a bit difference (three 10S packs = 3 actual flight packs).

[szaki75]

Icharger 306b is a 6s charger. I think you meant 3010b. That is 10s and 1000w. 10s pack is 42v when fully charged, so max charging current will be abt 24amp (because of the 1000w limit). If you charge 3 x 10s packs in parallel, that results to 8amps per pack... so 2C charging. (Packs are still 4000mah)
I see no sense to move to 10s setup and buy a new motor with corresponding kV value.

[prokyon]

Originally Posted by szaki75

Icharger 306b is a 6s charger. I think you meant 3010b. That is 10s and 1000w. 10s pack is 42v when fully charged, so max charging current will be abt 24amp (because of the 1000w limit). If you charge 3 x 10s packs in parallel, that results to 8amps per pack... so 2C charging. (Packs are still 4000mah)
I see no sense to move to 10s setup and buy a new motor with corresponding kV value.

Yes, sorry, I meant 3010b.

D'oh! I forgot that going higher in V will drop the A because of 1000W!

Maybe I'll just sell my charger and get a 40A 6s charger? Then I can fly 12S on 600, what do you think? 40/(2*2*3.3) ~= 3C charge rating, so I can charge 2 12S flight packs at 3C, or 3 12S at 2C (same as the 10S).

Thanks for this!

[Smoggie]

12 (2 x 6s) is the way to go over a single 10s pack in my opinion because it opens up the choice of both helicopters and batteries enormously.

You would never get a single 10s pack in the Trex anyway because the fames are too narrow, same problem would go for most 600 size helis. You could fit a tandem 'stick' 10s pack in but they are just two 5s packs strapped together and usually are charged as two 5s packs anyway.

Personal'y I use a 40A charger, the iCharger 4010 Duo (two x 40A actually) which allows 1000W charging on each channel with 6s packs.