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ettepet · 02-09-2013, 02:44 PM

When i looked in this sub forum i only see post about fly mentor and naza
I have been experimenting with a mutiwii board from hobby king the multiwii pro with a gps, compass, barometer, Accelerometer and a 3axis gyro and i even added a sonar and a 3DR Radio. This board with the megapirates software is capable to act as a flybarless stabilizer, does autonomous flight and has a real-time telemetry link with a smartphone or laptop. you can put it in altitude hold, position hold and stabilize mode i am not able to fly 3d yet (the heli does) so i have not tried that but it is also possible.

Just wanted to share this with you as a alternative but it takes a lot of reading, studying and experimenting before it's properly set. For me is something i like and gives me great satisfaction but i can imagine that for others it's a little bit to much to fiddle around and want to spend the time to get it right with flying.

ece31316 · 02-09-2013, 03:14 PM

Hi, Can you give tips, and show how it is done on a heli? Or better if you can share the materials that will best help beginner like me to implement multiwii? Or the summary of the things that you have done to your implementation, like what ivor did on the flymentor, and for the copilot by nytflyr?

Aaron Hartwell · 02-09-2013, 05:52 PM

I run a HK MultiWii on my multi-rotors. I see in the code that the development community is starting to experiment with heli's. Won't be long before MultiWii, Arducopter, and KK boards do a good job with helis I suspect. It'll be nice to pay $50 for a board w/ GPS instead of $450 that we're paying today for something like Naza H.

StraightUp · 02-12-2013, 02:04 PM

I've been looking at these too. Like you say ettepet " it takes a lot of reading, studying and experimenting before it's properly set" that more than likely deters a few people.

I would love to try one but right now I have so many little projects on the go that this will have to wait a bit.

How does the sonar work? is it for maintaining altitude?

Aaron, the closest thing to a multirotor I have ever tried is an ardrone, didn't like the wifi link. I am looking to try a quad or hexa build in the future, I have a 3D printer on order that can do 8x8x8 parts so I would like to make a custom frame but any recomendations on electronics would be cool.

R_Lefebvre · 02-14-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Hartwell

I run a HK MultiWii on my multi-rotors. I see in the code that the development community is starting to experiment with heli's. Won't be long before MultiWii, Arducopter, and KK boards do a good job with helis I suspect. It'll be nice to pay $50 for a board w/ GPS instead of $450 that we're paying today for something like Naza H.

Arducopter is already doing a good job on helis.

munkymush · 02-14-2013, 01:26 PM

how long will it be before the control boards are readily available to buy, as they are for tri and quads rob, will they ever be as cheap as the multi copter control boards ?

Aaron Hartwell · 02-14-2013, 07:56 PM

Impressive Rob! Is that you and your heli in the videos?!

jperkosk · 02-15-2013, 07:24 AM

Am I the only one seeing double here?

R_Lefebvre · 02-15-2013, 10:00 AM

Monkey, the boards are available now. You can buy them from 3D Robotics for about $150, $250 with the good GPS. The telemetry radio is indispensable and only about $40 or so. The boards, are *exactly* the same as the multi-rotor boards. You just upload different firmware.

The firmware is getting pretty good. Not quite as easy to use as DJI or one of the other systems. It's a bit more confusing to set up (mostly because lack of documentation). But once it's working, it works pretty well, and is getting better fast.

It does fly a FBL heli, but it is not a good 3D FBL controller. It's more sport/scale/AP targeted.

Oh, this is a "fun" video...

That was attempting to demonstrate the performance of our inertial Altitude control system. It's actually very good, but keep in mind, it's really windy, that's a little heli with those asymmetric blades, and pretty crappy servos. In 10-20km/h winds it's pretty rock-solid.

Keep in mind, these videos are development videos, not marketing videos taken in light winds, and shot over and over, and cut so that everything looks perfect.

This is a much more impressive video of my 600, and this is before the good Altitude controller code was working.

Aaron, yep, that's me and my helis.

Jerry, yeah, I wish I knew why that kept happening! I'm using the YouTube link button, pasting in the embed code... that's it. I don't get it.

Ah wait, I figured it out!

jolyboy · 02-18-2013, 12:33 AM

Rob, that is seriously impressive stuff. When there is body frame control I'll be getting one... You'll see a flood of helifreaks getting these once thats sorted id expect..

NexxuSix · 02-18-2013, 05:56 PM

Nice work, Rob

It makes me wonder why I spent so much money on the DJI. My Blade 400 could probably benefit from Arducopter!

02-09-2013, 02:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
ettepet Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2009	what about multiwii? When i looked in this sub forum i only see post about fly mentor and naza I have been experimenting with a mutiwii board from hobby king the multiwii pro with a gps, compass, barometer, Accelerometer and a 3axis gyro and i even added a sonar and a 3DR Radio. This board with the megapirates software is capable to act as a flybarless stabilizer, does autonomous flight and has a real-time telemetry link with a smartphone or laptop. you can put it in altitude hold, position hold and stabilize mode i am not able to fly 3d yet (the heli does) so i have not tried that but it is also possible. Just wanted to share this with you as a alternative but it takes a lot of reading, studying and experimenting before it's properly set. For me is something i like and gives me great satisfaction but i can imagine that for others it's a little bit to much to fiddle around and want to spend the time to get it right with flying.

02-15-2013, 07:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
jperkosk Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2009	Am I the only one seeing double here? __________________ Jerry Trex 700N Pro fbl, 600N Pro x 2, 450SE v1, 250 v2 fbl, Compass 6HV fbl, Blade 450x, 400, 300x, 130x, mCPx, 120SR, mQx, mSR, Rotor Concepts HPQ1, Walkera CB180Q, CB100, Novus FP, CP, Esky Hunter, Big Lama.

02-15-2013, 10:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
R_Lefebvre Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2010	Monkey, the boards are available now. You can buy them from 3D Robotics for about $150, $250 with the good GPS. The telemetry radio is indispensable and only about $40 or so. The boards, are exactly the same as the multi-rotor boards. You just upload different firmware. The firmware is getting pretty good. Not quite as easy to use as DJI or one of the other systems. It's a bit more confusing to set up (mostly because lack of documentation). But once it's working, it works pretty well, and is getting better fast. It does fly a FBL heli, but it is not a good 3D FBL controller. It's more sport/scale/AP targeted. Oh, this is a "fun" video... That was attempting to demonstrate the performance of our inertial Altitude control system. It's actually very good, but keep in mind, it's really windy, that's a little heli with those asymmetric blades, and pretty crappy servos. In 10-20km/h winds it's pretty rock-solid. Keep in mind, these videos are development videos, not marketing videos taken in light winds, and shot over and over, and cut so that everything looks perfect. This is a much more impressive video of my 600, and this is before the good Altitude controller code was working. Aaron, yep, that's me and my helis. Jerry, yeah, I wish I knew why that kept happening! I'm using the YouTube link button, pasting in the embed code... that's it. I don't get it. Ah wait, I figured it out! __________________ -Rob Former Managing Director of Maxxum Robotics Inc.

02-18-2013, 05:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
NexxuSix Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2011	Nice work, Rob It makes me wonder why I spent so much money on the DJI. My Blade 400 could probably benefit from Arducopter! __________________ If at first you don't succeed... Fly, fly again!

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02-09-2013, 03:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
ece31316 Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2012	Hi, Can you give tips, and show how it is done on a heli? Or better if you can share the materials that will best help beginner like me to implement multiwii? Or the summary of the things that you have done to your implementation, like what ivor did on the flymentor, and for the copilot by nytflyr?

02-09-2013, 05:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Aaron Hartwell Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2005	I run a HK MultiWii on my multi-rotors. I see in the code that the development community is starting to experiment with heli's. Won't be long before MultiWii, Arducopter, and KK boards do a good job with helis I suspect. It'll be nice to pay $50 for a board w/ GPS instead of $450 that we're paying today for something like Naza H.

02-12-2013, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
StraightUp Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2012	I've been looking at these too. Like you say ettepet " it takes a lot of reading, studying and experimenting before it's properly set" that more than likely deters a few people. I would love to try one but right now I have so many little projects on the go that this will have to wait a bit. How does the sonar work? is it for maintaining altitude? Aaron, the closest thing to a multirotor I have ever tried is an ardrone, didn't like the wifi link. I am looking to try a quad or hexa build in the future, I have a 3D printer on order that can do 8x8x8 parts so I would like to make a custom frame but any recomendations on electronics would be cool.

02-14-2013, 01:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
munkymush Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2011	how long will it be before the control boards are readily available to buy, as they are for tri and quads rob, will they ever be as cheap as the multi copter control boards ?

02-14-2013, 07:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aaron Hartwell Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2005	Impressive Rob! Is that you and your heli in the videos?!

02-18-2013, 12:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
jolyboy Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2012	Rob, that is seriously impressive stuff. When there is body frame control I'll be getting one... You'll see a flood of helifreaks getting these once thats sorted id expect..

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