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01-21-2012, 05:05 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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YGE VS JIVE
Can someone please give me comparison on YGE internal gov to jive??? See i find the jive gov to work the best, i tried helijive and it smooths it but even with settings high it lacks in other areas.
KSA mode and reduction of gains i tried and it was really noticeable. I wonder how does the YGE gov perform? Does the heli feel really powerfull like the jive or more boring? Thanks |
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01-22-2012, 04:30 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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+1 I would also love to know how the internal gov on the YGE compares against Jive mode 4 or 11
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01-22-2012, 08:18 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Im going to test in the next day or so.
So far testing it looks like soft start is not soft regardless of setting |
01-22-2012, 09:41 PM | #4 (permalink) | |
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The ones that effect start are startup power, either Auto or 2% as a start. Heli Slow or Middle is the other that affects start up. VBar Gov or regular Gov?
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01-23-2012, 07:16 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Regular gov, tried all settings and its not the best.
I think it will be ok, its just the first instant, then it spools slow. I think it should work well, hope to test in the next few days |
01-23-2012, 07:22 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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I forgot, timing and PMW mess with motor start as well.
I think with your 4525,4535 Scorp's you are going to want PWM 8-9, timing auto to start, mess with it after you get PWM right.
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01-23-2012, 07:54 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I left pwm at 8, and 18 timing.
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01-25-2012, 01:39 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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On the Jive you need to run a higher tail gain then on the YGE (futaba setup) This is because of the minor difference in how the jive and yge use gains. (dont touch btw) Jive uses a lower igain...relying more on tail gain. If you are converting from jive to YGE dont be surprised that your tail is gain is off even if the Headspeed matches.
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01-25-2012, 06:06 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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How can the low thr value value affect the soft start?? If it goes from 0 to eg 70% what difference would it make??
Anyway i will test tommorow. If i dont like it i will put the jive back in and then get a kosmik once they are out |
01-25-2012, 11:55 AM | #10 (permalink) | |
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I had been setting the startup power manually to help smooth out my softstarts but after discovering this, i was able to set my Startup power back to Auto on All my helis and softstart felt perfect again. Another to note is throttle calibration and startup varies from TX to TX. For instance before getting the 8FG i had a Hitec A9 TX and still had the same YGE's setup with the same motors but on Hitec, the softstart felt perfect never causing me an issue. This is most likely due to the fact that when programming the A9 the YGE armed higher than it does on the 8FG. Here is the video that I am referring to from Mr. Mel ( A person you trust) Even though he is showing this on the vbar, the same principle applies when using it normally. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPCOl2K3LlQ&feature=player_embedded#t=319s[/ame]
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01-25-2012, 12:41 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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FYI. That Video is dated info and is no longer correct as the process for setting Vbar>Setup>Gov II, Motor Stop is changed in the VBar Gov 5.2 Video.
Watch the 5.2 Video and my instructions reflect the proper way to get motor stop. But Anyway YES this low throttle(motor stop) in Vbar makes all the difference in motor spool up. To Joes point it makes a diff in Normal Gov Mode(did not know that).
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01-25-2012, 02:27 PM | #12 (permalink) | |
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I know the YGE seems like it is complicated or more difficult to use compared to a jive or takes hours to setup..but its not. It takes me 10x longer to write how to setup endpoints then it does for me setup a brand new YGE for any heli using internal or external gov. In reality you could simplify the process in a single paragraph and that would suit 95% of the people but to get the best out of your motor/heli and overall setup it takes a little more reading.
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01-27-2012, 11:21 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Review YGE 320A vs jive 120HV
I tested my yge 320A today.
A few notes: YGE, the first split second it spools is more abrupt than jive, but affter that it spool very smooth, smoother than jive YGE gov store mode works very well with scorp, PWM 8 and timing 18. The gov feels really good, dropped tail gain 10 points in all flight modes to stop wag. YGE gov pulls like frieght train in FFF, feels a little smoother in some areas compared to jive YGE is easily damaged and any metal can short it out as its only covered with heatshrink and ends open YGE temps only warm even when high ambient Jive spools very nicely Jive gov mode works really well, very aggressive, tail gain 10 points higher compared to YGE Jive gov is aggressive in tic tocs, tail affected Jive is NOT easily damaged and well protected Jive gets fairly warm in high ambient temps, but has 3 levels of protection for cutout All in all, the YGE is a good esc, couple of little quirks about it. Not sure how the 160A compares (the jive 120 can do 240A cont), its a shame there is no BEC on it |
01-30-2012, 05:12 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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I hope Craze Chimes in here.
I have both a HeliJive and YGE 160HV. I choose the HeliJive when the motor is compatible with Mode 8, Pyro, or in my case Xera 4030 where I want a BEC and a very simple light solution. So this is for Goblin. For 700E with Xera 4035 with VBar Gov I got the YGE160 as I had bought a HeliJive before V11 was released and sent it back. So bought a YGE160 and happy with that. So my choice would be for most of the motors out there YGE, even the 4525/4530 Power Houses especially. In 2 months it might be the Kosmic, will see if it has the Heli Features and the initial reports before I jump again...
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01-31-2012, 01:08 AM | #16 (permalink) | |
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01-31-2012, 04:08 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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Hi guys. The soft start its only the first .5 sec if that of the soft start that is a little quick, it does not fold the blades but its just not as soft as the jive, but after that .5sec it spools very slowly and nicely (better than jive).
I was testing inside and flipped the thr quickly and was a little concerned, but once out at the field its not an issue. Changing endpoints did not change anything If the YGE could be more protected and with BEC it would be ultimate IMHO! Both are good esc, but for LE motors if you dont want an issue with a shutdown on a hot day then the 160 or 320A YGE is the way. I might like the kosmic better, time will tell, ill let someone else try that. In FFF the YGE seems to have more steam. |
01-31-2012, 09:40 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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This is all great info. I took a short break from helis (right after v4.0 Vbar came out), and now I'm looking to build a Synergy E7 to add to my Logo 600se/Jive 80 (which I love). I was under the impression that the Vbar gov is as good as the Jive's. So other than soft starts and possible slight power differences, is there a difference between the lower end esc's ie Castle, etc and the Jive/Yge all using the Vbar gov? Or is using the esc gov the way to go? I'm looking for a very smooth consistant feel just like the Jive and I'm a set it and forget it pilot. I don't mind fiddling with settings at first, but then I usually never touch them after.
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01-31-2012, 02:11 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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If you like the Jive on your L600SE, the Jive is an excellent choice, 120HV or HeliJive in normal Gov mode, you will be happy. By far the easiest set and forget solution. Easier than a YGE as far as work involved it getting it running and setup
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