Which O-rings with white bushers?

[mmarian]

Title says it all😊. Interested to hear from people who experimented with combination of orange and black o-rings and willing to share their experience and findings. Thanks...

[helicraze]

black and black is best i find with white bushings

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by helicraze

black and black is best i find with white bushings

Thanks for your advice. How would the orange o-rings with white bushings affect the flight characteristics compared to black bushings with black o-rings?

[helicraze]

Not a huge amount but wear too quick

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by helicraze

Not a huge amount but wear too quick

I see....I have just ordered a set of black and orange rings together with the white bushings. Been flying stock black bushings and black rings since 2013 medium sport and just want to see the difference. The rocking head looks funny but it flies nice, so not quite shure what to expect when I put on the white bushings☺.

[helicraze]

expect magic

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by helicraze

expect magic

☺😊😀😁😂

[abanihani]

If i remember correctly, i received a little note from Jan advising to use the red/ black rings on white bushing for few flights to allow the mechanics to adjust before going black/black on white bushing.

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by abanihani

If i remember correctly, i received a little note from Jan advising to use the red/ black rings on white bushing for few flights to allow the mechanics to adjust before going black/black on white bushing.

Thanks for that. Do you remember which one you suppose to put in first on the bushing? Probably splitting hair here😊

[Vinger]

Black on the inside with red on the outside. I run it that way and to be honest, could not feel any difference to that or all black O-rings.

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by Vinger

Black on the inside with red on the outside. I run it that way and to be honest, could not feel any difference to that or all black O-rings.

I hope I am reading this correctly. You slide first the orange one and than the black one on the white bushing, so the orange is on the outside closer to the blade grip and black is on the inside closer to the main shaft? Are you saying that you did not feel any difference between the white and black bushings or just between double black and orange/black combination of o-rings on white bushings??

[Vinger]

Yes correct on the O-ring placement and yes no real difference between black-black and black-red or even red-red with the black bushings.

The only time I felt the behavior change was when changing between white and black bushings, with the black making it feel more connected but watch out for resonance at about 1400rpm as it can be more pronounced, so avoid that as a head speed.

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by Vinger

Yes correct on the O-ring placement and yes no real difference between black-black and black-red or even red-red with the black bushings.

The only time I felt the behavior change was when changing between white and black bushings, with the black making it feel more connected but watch out for resonance at about 1400rpm as it can be more pronounced, so avoid that as a head speed.

That is interesting, as the main reason for me to order the white bushings was me believing that they actually make the flight experience more connected and precise. May I ask what in your opinion makes the change from black to white bushings actually worthwhile? Thanks in advance. BTW I really like to fly with HS of around 1750 mark, so the resonance is not an issue for me .

[CyprusFlyer]

Originally Posted by mmarian

That is interesting, as the main reason for me to order the white bushings was me believing that they actually make the flight experience more connected and precise. May I ask what in your opinion makes the change from black to white bushings actually worthwhile? Thanks in advance. BTW I really like to fly with HS of around 1750 mark, so the resonance is not an issue for me .

You are correct, the black bushings are for the standard "wobbly" head with stock black hard O rings. For a more connected experience you need the white bush that is a closer fit into the O ring dampers, for those you can play with combinations of soft and hard O rings.
I have tried both, the white feels more like a Mikado Logo, fully connected. I have since gone back to black as I like the characteristic softer feel, I believe it is more forgiving for speed runs too with less stress on the head.

[Vinger]

Originally Posted by mmarian

That is interesting, as the main reason for me to order the white bushings was me believing that they actually make the flight experience more connected and precise. May I ask what in your opinion makes the change from black to white bushings actually worthwhile? Thanks in advance. BTW I really like to fly with HS of around 1750 mark, so the resonance is not an issue for me .

My bad, I had the two bushings confused! As CyprusFlyer posted is the same experience I had.

[mmarian]

Originally Posted by Vinger

My bad, I had the two bushings confused! As CyprusFlyer posted is the same experience I had.

Thanks for clarification. I look forward to the white bushings. I will put orange and black o-ring combo innitially and will go from there. If I won't like it I will go back to black bushings and "wobbly" head. Pulling the head appart will give me at least oportunity to maintain the thrust bearings, clean and re-lube which is long overdue.

[mmarian]

Now after the white bushings have been installed I can only say WOW!!! For now I fly with combination of orange and black o-rings and it flies like on the rails, quite literaly. No more blade flapping during hover, not that it was anything wrong with that but now it really flies like a dream machine. Reacting very precisely to all stick imputs . At HS of 1,660 rpm it is full of life and I love it. Thanks to everyone who chipped in. IMHO the white bushings and additional orange o-rings should be included with the kit or even used as standard with the black bushings as an option, perhaps more for speed fliers.