Damn Corrado, whats going on?

[jondabear]

You get what you pay for. Hobby city................

[jondabear]

Wont last over 80 - 100 cycles. Cost difference is the same as higher initial investment with longer return of use.

[growmaster4]

why do all hobby shop guys say that?

[trickybit]

Originally Posted by growmaster4

why do all hobby shop guys say that?

Yeah, if anybody ever sold one Outrage battery, they should be banned from dissing Hobbycity forever.

[boO!]

Originally Posted by jondabear

Wont last over 80 - 100 cycles. Cost difference is the same as higher initial investment with longer return of use.

Umm I'd rather a new lipo at that stage anyways.... Ive nothing to complain about Hobbycity lipos

[nyc863]

Originally Posted by trickybit

Yeah, if anybody ever sold one Outrage battery, they should be banned from dissing Hobbycity forever.

right! at my field guy with outrage packs marks them for each cycle, he had four and all are just in the teens, and they puff each flight now. He only ever used 2000 out of 3000 max mah. He said he'll never buy anything else with "Outrage" on the label.

[boO!]

Outrageous...

[OnTheSnap]

Hobbyking has started to stock some 40C Rhino's rated for 5C charging. Rumor has it these are the same chemistry as the Hyperion g3's.

I'm looking forward to the death of expensive name brand batteries. They are not good for our hobby, and hopefully their era of existence is coming to a close.

[dizzymarkus]

ok its killing me as a first time owner this summer -- Any idea of posible release for the 450 :0)

Markus

[Gscott]

Originally Posted by jondabear

Wont last over 80 - 100 cycles. Cost difference is the same as higher initial investment with longer return of use.

Neither will an Outrage, TP, Flight Power, etc... Difference is the Turnigy that only lasts 50-75 cycles only costs $85 while the TP, Outrage, etc... are nearly $300 for an equivalent pack.

[CatchmyCorsair]

Yeah, Hobbycity lipos suck! Don't buy them!!!

[trickybit]

Originally Posted by CatchmyCorsair

Yeah, Hobbycity lipos suck! Don't buy them!!!

Good point. I have 6 of them, and I don't think you should buy any.

They don't come with mints.

[CatchmyCorsair]

I mean, they can't be THAT good. They only caused TP to reduce their prices by 25%. But TP is notorious for lowering prices all the time, right?

[jondabear]

I say that because its the truth . Dont sell em but have a s$%^ load of em...........well over 60 that i purchased within the past two years.
I tried to baby em by storing at least 50-60 percent charge back in em EVERYtime I would fly em, but to no avail. they still only lasted 60 to 70 cycles.
I got hyperions that still balance and perform at least 90% as when they were new with over 150+ charges on em.
not trying to be a D#$%, just trying to give u my personal experience with em.
If there were any one who would know after using em it would be me and my helicrew.
We used to think they were Gods gift to pilots but after we evolved with our flying routines and really started to demand power out of em, we were all Very dissapointed.
I just might sell em because its not always what wisdom will give you but what people who want what they want can buy.
Appeal is trully in the price point for sure, but for us........... we moved past em.
They were there to serve their purpose but unfortunately for us....that time is gone.
Have fun with em.

[jondabear]

I think I want to buy some now. Thats HOBBYCITY.COM rt?
Ill eat my own mints at that price.

[rcmarty]

Originally Posted by jondabear

I say that because its the truth . Dont sell em but have a s$%^ load of em...........well over 60 that i purchased within the past two years.
I tried to baby em by storing at least 50-60 percent charge back in em EVERYtime I would fly em, but to no avail. they still only lasted 60 to 70 cycles.
I got hyperions that still balance and perform at least 90% as when they were new with over 150+ charges on em.
not trying to be a D#$%, just trying to give u my personal experience with em.
If there were any one who would know after using em it would be me and my helicrew.
We used to think they were Gods gift to pilots but after we evolved with our flying routines and really started to demand power out of em, we were all Very dissapointed.
I just might sell em because its not always what wisdom will give you but what people who want what they want can buy.
Appeal is trully in the price point for sure, but for us........... we moved past em.
They were there to serve their purpose but unfortunately for us....that time is gone.
Have fun with em.

Good to hear a more complete story on the HC lipo's.
You mentioned that this was about 2 years ago. I wonder if it has something to do with the "C" rating of the batteries at the time
Even 1 year ago the top dog was a 20-25 C , now were into the 30-40c ratings

Years ago (3-4+) before the HC was even selling batts mainstream i had some TP 25C lipo's. I babied these lipos and did everything in my power to make them last. 30 flights and they were severly down.

I too was scepical about the HC packs , but after so many people suggesting them, i gave in and tried 4. Bought 4 flightmax 2200 30c 3s packs for my 450v2. After a 4:30 flight with little reguard for collective management the packs were slightly warm. That set of 4 now has over 130 flights on them , still run great. Just put a 500e body on that 450v2 so now im packing another 300g (total 1089 tf)

Then i bought some turingy 2650 30-40c packs for the protos. Replaced the evolite 6s 2500's i had (35 flights each about). The evo's run a 95% throttle and the turingys had more power and hs at 80%.
Then i put a dead pack in by accident. Run the norm 4:30 + about 3 mins again. Pack times out 3 times on my 1010 (3ampsx5minsx3) then took 2700 mah in. Pack runs just as good as the 2 other ones i have. Only way to tell which pack would be to check my records.

Worth noting these packs do seem a bit soft , like theres a foam pad between the cells. Might be a slight sign of puffing still feel the same (bit spongy) even after they have cooled ? But they come down at a good temp , charge up fine , and run well still.

So at this time , with the price point of these packs , it's very hard for me to go out and pay 2-3 times as much for the same thing.

I think and always have thought that running anywhere near the "C" rating is fatal to lipo's. Think about it , the only people getting strong packs after hundreds of flight are those little foamies drawing peanuts cycle afer cycle.

Once the lipos matured to a point where the load is somewhere around the halfway point of the "C" rating do you start to see some lifespan.

The hyperions with there 35c ratings do sound good. But there several times more, if they were double , i'd consider a pair to see. Maby when lipos are taken to the next level i may convert back to brand name. But for now , i'd like to meet the salesman that could sell me on them because i'd hire him for my bussiness

martin

[jondabear]

Hope the market matures soon for lipos. We could all use a break to our pocket books.

[Gscott]

I really don't get your argument. Thunder Power, Flight Power, and Outrage are lucky to last 75 cycles before significant performance drop as well. Difference is they are 3x as much as the Tunigy. This is based on my own experience flying them for 3-4 years and also on the experience of those in my club. No one has gotten more than 50 flights out of an Outrage before it puffed. The FP's don't puff but will also drop off after 50+ cycles. No one in our group flies more than 75% discharge.

My point is you can buy a 30c Turnigy packs for around $50 or pay 3 times that for a name brand pack that is not going to last any longer. Like I said the jury is still out on the Hyperions. There were plenty of reports early on that said the Outrage packs would eaily get 200 cycles and that didn't pan out once the average pilot started using them. Even if the Hyperions last 200 cycles you could still get 3 30c Turnigy packs for the price of 1 35c Hyperion.

[dizzymarkus]

either way the battery prices have come down some and that benefits us all as a whole :0)


On a different note -- if you forget to loctite the feathering bolts this is what happens lol -- FF to 4:35 to see and have your sound up w/ bonus after crash footage lol

Really minimal damage, both blades are still in pristine condition. Even the feathering shaft (no I wont reuse it lol) came back as a whole with the bolt still in the grip hehehehe -- so I lost the usual:

feathering shaft
main shaft
tail shat

additionally:

washout arms
blade grip mixers

the plastic frame held up awsomely from that height and hearing it skip off the tree branchs lol

have a good view-- glad we could catch it on tape to share

Markus

MSH Protos down (5 min 39 sec)

[jondabear]

wow! Glad u got it back.