Logo XXtreme 480 - What Setup?

[ShaneXman]

Ok, then what about this one...

Link: http://www.daddyhobby.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76981


-Shane

[SMJT]

Originally Posted by ShaneXman

Ok, then what about this one...

Link: http://www.daddyhobby.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76981


-Shane

He shaved it down most likely the only pyro motor that has a 5mm shaft as standard is the Mini Pyro 400 motor.

[ShaneXman]

Originally Posted by SMJT

He shaved it down most likely the only pyro motor that has a 5mm shaft as standard is the Mini Pyro 400 motor.

Roger that! Thank you for the clarification bud.


-Shane

[catzjes]

Kontronik used 5mm shafts in Pyro 600 motors in the past (I had a 600-12 with a 5mm shaft in my Logo 500), when you have a 5mm version and send it to Kontronik they replace it with a 6mm shaft unfortunately.

[abanihani]

This is Mikado's way of making sure you only use their sponsored motor unfortunately. More and more people are getting away from 5 mm shafts, i just can't understand why they insist on 5 mm unless they don't want people to have other options. For me that was the only reason i am not trying this heli out. I just like to have the option of selecting my motor rather than being dictated

[Varelco]

No doubt Mikado has a a nice little deal going on with Edge blades and Scorpion. I wonder if they weren't tied up would they have made it a little bigger?

[raptor50luvver]

I hope Mikado dont start going down the Align route and dictating our setups for us,i chose to go back to Mikado airframes for their flexibility,ive already been put off buying a 550SX because of the lack of motors for it and this could put me off a 480,i want to fit what motor i want and its certainly not a Scorpion

[prototype3a]

I too hate the 'dictated' setups because I know my helis fly great with other setups. I dislike how Mikado has made the Logos less like Lego in that many of the parts are no longer compatible or have been discontinued.

[snemi00]

Mikado seems to be the Apple iPhone/iPad of the Heli world.
Locked into their way or no way, very restrictive.
On the other hand, it simply works well and there are few complaints of quality or performance.

[fabian1675]

Originally Posted by raptor50luvver

I hope Mikado dont start going down the Align route and dictating our setups for us,i chose to go back to Mikado airframes for their flexibility,ive already been put off buying a 550SX because of the lack of motors for it and this could put me off a 480,i want to fit what motor i want and its certainly not a Scorpion

+1 to that. I was thinking along the same line....

[ShaneXman]

Mikado's recommended setup for the Logo XXtreme 480 is as follows:

FBL: Mini VBar Blueline Express
Motor: Scorpion HK4015-1070
ESC: YGE 90 LV with Power BEC
Cyclic Servos: Savox Digital Servo SH-1250MG Midi Size
Tail Servo: Savox Digital Servo SH-1290MG

Link: http://www.readyheli.com/MIK2208-Mik...o_p_41963.html


No thanks...


I guess I can just turn down / taper the Kontronik Pyro 6mm shaft to 5mm...

...and go with my desired setup from the first post.


-Shane

[abanihani]

how easy to taper the shaft? I asked Kontronik and they were heavily against making the shaft 5 mm, you probable can get away with scorpion as the internal shaft diameter is probably 8 mm or so but not pyro motor, it is 6 mm all the way through.

[ShaneXman]

Originally Posted by abanihani

how easy to taper the shaft? I asked Kontronik and they were heavily against making the shaft 5 mm, you probable can get away with scorpion as the internal shaft diameter is probably 8 mm or so but not pyro motor, it is 6 mm all the way through.

What's the difference if you turn down an 8mm shaft or a 6mm shaft? Either way, the weakest part of the shaft is going to be the smaller diameter portion. Am I missing something?


-Shane

[abanihani]

yes you are, if you have a small diameter shaft like 6 mm all the way through it is so easy to damage the internal bearings or at least reduce their life significantly, that is the reason that Kontronik does not advise on the use of 5 mm in their motors. you have to be careful here. Scorpion get away by using larger inside shaft and bigger bearings so okay with scorpion and not okay with Kontronik.

[ShaneXman]

Originally Posted by abanihani

yes you are, if you have a small diameter shaft like 6 mm all the way through it is so easy to damage the internal bearings or at least reduce their life significantly, that is the reason that Kontronik does not advise on the use of 5 mm in their motors. you have to be careful here. Scorpion get away by using larger inside shaft and bigger bearings so okay with scorpion and not okay with Kontronik.

Got it. Thank you for the additional information.


-Shane

[haha]

can u run 12s on this machine?

[Varelco]

No one is going to be able to answer that really, no one has seen it. There looks like there might be room in the tray to fit a couple of 6S batteries, stacked or one in front of the other.

Is there enough 'meat' on the pinion to drill it out to 6mm without jeopardising strength? Would be easier than removing and turning down a motor shaft

[ShaneXman]

Originally Posted by prototype3a

My best wild guess... the -12.

I know this is probably a n00b question, and I do know that the only difference between the Kontronik Pyro 600-11 and the 600-12 is the KV's...but why would I choose one over the other? More gearing options? Greater motor efficiency? Which one is the better option for the XXtreme 480?

I'm pretty much decided on turning down the stock Kontronik Pyro 6mm shaft, so I'd appreciate any input, clarification and direction. Thanks in advance.

...and just for reference, here are the specs of the "Super Combo":




-Shane

[mahbouni]

This is my intended setup:

• Flight Style: Technical 3D
• FBL System: Mini Vbar Silverline (I think it will be released next year)
• Motor: Kontronik Pyro 600-11
• Pinion: 18T mod .7
• Target Headspeed(s): 2600rpm
• ESC: Kontronik Jive 100LV
• Governor: Kontronik
• Cyclic Servos: Futaba BLS153
• Tail Servo: Futaba BLS251
• Main Blades: Edge 473 FBL
• Tail Blades: Edge 72
• LiPos: 6s 3600-4000mAh
• Anything Else: Scorpion Backup Guard

[ShaneXman]

Originally Posted by mahbouni

This is my intended setup:

• Flight Style: Technical 3D
• FBL System: Mini Vbar Silverline (I think it will be released next year)
• Motor: Kontronik Pyro 600-11
• Pinion: 18T mod .7
• Target Headspeed(s): 2600rpm
• ESC: Kontronik Jive 100LV
• Governor: Kontronik
• Cyclic Servos: Futaba BLS153
• Tail Servo: Futaba BLS251
• Main Blades: Edge 473 FBL
• Tail Blades: Edge 72
• LiPos: 6s 3600-4000mAh
• Anything Else: Scorpion Backup Guard

Where do you plan on getting your 18T mod .7 herringbone pinion to fit on the Kontronik Pyro 600-11 motor shaft?

Let me know. Thanks!


-Shane