Jive arms even after I lower ATV?

[Chris_M]

Programming a new Jive 120HV and after I set mode 1 and 4 I disconnected lipo, lowered throttle ATV to 50 and when I plug in the pack it still arms? I am only using 1 6S pack to setup but I dont think that should matter. Throttle curve is linear, upper end is 100 low end set to 50. Any ideas?

[johnopsec]

Throttle curve should be 0 - 100 linear for programming. Try again and then report back your success.

[Chris_M]

As I posted it is linear. Upper ATV is 100 lower is 50. I have 4 K esc's so i know how to program...i have never run into this issue though.

[johnopsec]

If you have 50 - 100 linear when you program, the Jive sees that as your 0 - 100 linear.

When you're at 50, the jive sees that as dead-nutz zero since YOU TOLD IT THAT IS WHAT IS YOUR LOW THROTTLE POSITION.

It is behaving precisely as it should. What different behavior are you expecting or desiring?

Why are you 50 - 100? What are you trying to accomplish with a 50 - 100 curve that can't be done with 0 - 100?

[Chris_M]

I HAVE A LINEAR CURVE 0-100, LOWERED LOW SIDE ATV TO 50 AND JIVE STILL ARMS. ATV AND THROTTLE CURVE ARE NOT THE SAME THING...READ MY POST AGAIN

[johnopsec]

Perhaps you should re-read your own post.

Throttle curve is linear, upper end is 100 low end set to 50.

But, you're the friggin' expert with 4 Kontronik ESCs. I've only got one. Silly me, I followed Mr. Mel's instructions (same ones I'm giving you) and have never had any issues. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to have the problems you're having.

Good luck!

[Chris_M]

Exactly...throttle curve LINEAR upper end of ATV is 100 lower is 50....what part of that was i not clear about? You have to lower the lower throttle end to 50 and raise slowly most times to 80-82 in order to find where the esc arms. My problems is that the esc arms with a LINEAR curve and ATV even at 50.

[dl7uae]

There is no lower than low in the view of the JIVE, below the learned zero pulse length is still zero.

[Chris_M]

Did another mode1 and 4 reset with a fully charged lipo and then the endpoints set like they should. Was weird before because with ATV at 100-100 motor still spooled up like normal right off of low stick.

[Lompma]

I just did the same thing, I have a 60LV for my Protos 500 and I know the DX8 throttle ATV is set to 82 and 82. I stupidly set the ATV on my Kony 100LV to 82 and 82 first. I then went through mode 1 and then mode 4 setup. It now armed at 52! Took awhile to figure out I had to have throttle ATV at 100 and 100 when going through mode 1 and mode 4 set up. Now it arms at 80 and set to 82. Funny thing is I flew it like that for about 4 flights with it arming at 52. I assume I just had lower resolution than if set properly at 82 ATV.

[johnopsec]

Precisely my point. If you look at Mr. Mel's setup videos, he is very specific about having a linear 0-100 throttle curve with ATVs set at full (100%) when you go through the stick programming.

Only AFTER you have completed the programming should ATVs be adjusted.

I'm glad you finally got it set up Chris_M. In the future, I would suggest that you be more clear about things and less of a jackass when people try to help you.

For instance, your first message says:

Throttle curve is linear, upper end is 100 low end set to 50

Perhaps you were trying to say "I programmed with a linear 0-100 throttle curve with ATVs set at 100." That is NOT what you said though.

In your next message, you say:

As I posted it is linear. Upper ATV is 100 lower is 50

And you follow up with:

READ MY POST AGAIN

No matter. You finally started from scratch with a fresh battery, etc and things are apparently working for you. Next time I see a message from you asking for help, I'll simply pass it by. This was enough for me.

[LARRY2716]

A very good explanation !
Obvious was doing something wrong. This is exactly the way I understood to do it and never had a problem.

[tony stevens]

Just been having exactly the same problem. Never thought to try a fully charged pack although i cant see what difference that would make?
Ill try again in the morning with a fresh pack

[rapidgaz]

Was a solution found for this.


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[Polartip]

Originally Posted by rapidgaz

Was a solution found for this.


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Jip, Lompma explains what happens below...

Originally Posted by Lompma

I just did the same thing, I have a 60LV for my Protos 500 and I know the DX8 throttle ATV is set to 82 and 82. I stupidly set the ATV on my Kony 100LV to 82 and 82 first. I then went through mode 1 and then mode 4 setup. It now armed at 52! Took awhile to figure out I had to have throttle ATV at 100 and 100 when going through mode 1 and mode 4 set up. Now it arms at 80 and set to 82. Funny thing is I flew it like that for about 4 flights with it arming at 52. I assume I just had lower resolution than if set properly at 82 ATV.

Long story short, if you want to calibrate ATV do this after programing mode 1; 4; 9. The mode programming has to be done using linear 0 - 100% throttle curve and with ATV's 100/100.

[Vinger]

Do NOT adjust ATV er endpoints ever after programming, leave them at 100%, it was misinformation by MrMel, the deadband at the low throttle side is necessary for programming bail out.

[mmarian]

Long story short, if you want to calibrate ATV do this after programing mode 1; 4; 9. The mode programming has to be done using linear 0 - 100% throttle curve and with ATV's 100/100.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right!!! Simple and 100% accurate explanation. If you want to do the so called calibration it can only be done after programing as described above. There is no need for it though. It is easy to forget that ATVs have been lowered and next time when programing with ATVs at 82% and recalibrating, it will arm at around 60%. Do the mistake again and it will arm at 40% etc. Better not to mess with the so called calibration. Leave the ATVs at 100%, nothing wrong with that !!!!

[taosgraveyard]

Originally Posted by tony stevens

Just been having exactly the same problem. Never thought to try a fully charged pack although i cant see what difference that would make?
Ill try again in the morning with a fresh pack

Fresh pack won't make any difference... As long as you have enough voltage to run the BEC in the jive

There is a persistent rumor around this board that it will matter


It doesn't.

[Vinger]

Makes a diffirence on the Kosmik, but Jive it does not matter what size or charge the pack is as long as it meets the minimum requirement for the Jive.

[Otto Rotation]

Messing with ATVs on a Jive gains you nothing except making the governor work poorly.