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03-05-2013, 05:55 PM | #261 (permalink) |
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high end heli high end servos. why have the latest and greatest 450 class heli and then go cheep on the servos. and its a 450 so even the expensive servos are comparatively cheep to the high end full size servos.
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03-05-2013, 06:51 PM | #262 (permalink) |
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I ran hitecs on mine but kind of wish I would have just done mks. Seems like the warp was designed around them. Would have saved me some sanding of the servo spacers to get them to line up correctly.
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03-06-2013, 10:42 PM | #263 (permalink) |
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I was starting to think i was missing out on something by using cheaper servos on all my other helis, so i took advantage of the special price on the MKS servos to see what its like to fly with the top notch stuff. They are very nice top notch servos, but with my current skills i cant do anything with them that i cant do with the Align servos i run on almost everything else, or the Hitecs i run on the other.
Im certainly not saying theyre all the same, just that maybe in the future ill save some cash on servos until i get so good at flying that the servos are holding me back, or if reliability becomes an issue, which hasn't yet, even though i have 23 align servos in use. Its also important to me that i can order replacement servos or servo gears from the same website i order all my other crash parts from. Unfortunately thats not the case with MKS, but im definitely not going to yank my ds92a+'s or ds8910a+ out just for that. If they are as durable as everyone says, i may not need to replace gears anyway. We'll see what this flying season brings for me and my servos as my flying becomes more aggressive. |
03-07-2013, 07:32 AM | #264 (permalink) |
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Re: MKS servos.
I see several people saying they think they are over priced compared to Align etc... or they don't notice difference etc... I'm not going to say you are wrong about that, that's your opinion you are entitled to. What I will say is this... When I swapped out my Align Trex 450 pro from trying Hitec, then JR(285 series), and Align, I myself noticed a night and day difference. Each of the other servos had their strengths and weaknesses, but the MKS seemed to have it all in performance by far, ie torque, speed, precision etc... I would say the weakness of the MKS is #1 price(yeah it's quite a bit more than other brands) and #2 the output shaft can break in crashes. Now weighing the performance gained against the occasional cost of output gears and upfront costs I still think they are a great servo. I've seen the knockoff MKS servos ie bluebird etc... and they are NOT identical servos. They look identical, but there are some performance differences. Some may not notice them, and that's fine, more power to you, but they are not the same IMO unless something has changed. A knockoff clone with some cheaper components. All of that being said, I've also had local guys who fly 450's that bought the MKS servos and been disappointed. Not b/c they are bad servos etc... but more because they thought they were going to be driving a Cadillac with the new servos installed. Servos can't fix a poorly setup machine or give you a dose of Spinach like Popeye. Frankly, if you are a sport flier and still pretty sloppy on the sticks you probably won't feel a difference between the MKS and Align servos. Align servos are fine for what they are, and for most people perfectly acceptable in price/performance. IF IF IF, you are good enough to fly hard, do more technical maneuvers, etc... I don't see how you wouldn't prefer the MKS over anything else I've tried. Or if you simply want the "best" then they are the best IMO.... However, if you are learning, not a pro, and realize that fact, have a limited budget etc... there is no shame in buying a perfectly acceptable servo in the Align or one of the others. I think we often get caught up on the "must have" in this hobby b/c the rest of the pack is doing it, or buying that. Don't over analyze your purchases after the fact, the time to do that is before buying . Enjoy your purchases whatever they are, and later down the road if you have some regrets you can always buy a different brand. I've been very guilty in the past of changing out components thinking they were the issue, when it was the loose nut behind the sticks being the issue. 99.9% of our problems in this hobby are self induced. Not learning/practicing correctly and then expecting a new component to take us to the next level. That happens rarely, but almost all the time progressing in the hobby is just grinding out the practice to become better. Think of other hobbies and you see the same thing. Poor golfers buying top of the line clubs to "make them better". Fisherman buying lures or gear to improve their "catch", etc... Again, just go fly with whatever you can afford, and what you think fits your needs. |
03-07-2013, 07:46 AM | #265 (permalink) | |
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I'm a mild sport flier and the difference in feel between crappy servos and fast, precise ones is easily distinguishable even to my dumb thumbs.
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03-07-2013, 08:14 AM | #266 (permalink) |
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In my experience many newer pilots don't feel a difference, or much of one, thereby complaining about the servos and the price they feel they paid too much for them.
I love the servos, as I stated, but many people will buy them with inflated expectations. If you can feel the difference great, more power to you. You are IMO among the minority of sport or newer pilots who can discern the difference however. I'm not trying to talk people out of getting them, they are awesome servos and I"m a rep for MKS. However, I'm tired of seeing people complain about prices or lack of improvement due to over inflated expectations or inability to appreciate the higher quality etc... Last edited by John Cook; 03-07-2013 at 10:44 AM.. |
03-07-2013, 08:57 AM | #267 (permalink) |
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Fair enough, I have been at this for about four years now so I'd be worried if I couldn't tell the difference between a good servo and an HXT900.
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03-07-2013, 09:00 AM | #268 (permalink) |
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I am definitely a newer pilot, and I probably could not tell the difference between MKS servos and a mid-grade servo. I was not trying to "complain" about prices, it was pure curiosity that made me inquire about the servos. I know you generally "get what you pay for" in this hobby of ours.
I think its obvious that there is an entire tier of low-end servos that almost all pilots would feel a difference between the MKS and those (clones, plastic-geared entry level servos). So do you guys feel the MKS fly better than Futaba's offerings in the 450 class, or JR servos?
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03-07-2013, 10:42 AM | #270 (permalink) |
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SMarvin,
I wasn't calling you out for complaining bro. However, your post did spark memories of other threads about other people complaining about the price and thus my post. Didn't mean to make you feel targeted or anything by my reply |
03-07-2013, 11:13 AM | #271 (permalink) |
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No worries, its sometimes it's tough (on both ends) to decipher and decode meaning and subtleties in text. Thanks for the responses guys I really appreciate this Compass community and I think I will be a Compass flyer for a long while into the future!
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03-07-2013, 11:29 AM | #272 (permalink) |
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I think we all have our own preferences and expectations with regard to how a well set up machine flies, and what effect servo performance has on that.
I am one, probably, of the very few, who has never cared for Hitec servos in a small helicopter. I only have one remaining 450 that still has Hitec's in it (a Furion 450) and, if I start flying it again, will probably convert to JR. Does this mean that Hitec servos are "bad"? Of course not, most people, I think, historically have used these in 450's with excellent results. Because I am used to other servos, I just don't like the feel of the Hitec's as well (my level of expectation for the way a model helicopter should "feel" in flight). I use Hitec's in a lot of my fixed wing aircraft, both large and small, so I know they are good servos. Mr. Cook speaks from a position of having a great deal of knowledge and experience. I have no doubt that he can feel the difference, in the helicopter's overall feel and performance. The same is true for the various FBL units, different main blades, tail blades, transmitters with different resolutions, etc. This is, to a large degree, subjective. All of us are different-some can perceive the difference, some can't, some have the ability to fly a machine well regardless of whether if feels different to them or not. Some may perceive a difference, but not enough of a difference to warrant paying the additional price for premium servos.
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03-07-2013, 11:47 AM | #273 (permalink) | |
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Its not my opinion that i cant tell the difference right now. Its a fact. I cannot tell the difference. That doesnt have anything to do with whether or not someone else can tell the difference. So, someday when i am good enough to tell the difference, ill spend more on servos. For now, ill save the cash, because the servos im using are still good enough for pilots that are way more demanding than i am. The differences may begin to show up more when one tunes his/her heli to operate closer to the edge if its capabilities, such as crazy high head speeds, 14+ degrees of pitch, TX rates on 150+%, blades that are 50% longer than the heli was designed for, etc... None of these describe me right now. Right now i just need a servo thats faster than i am, flies a stock heli, and wont crap out on me in flight. |
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03-07-2013, 11:52 AM | #274 (permalink) |
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One thing that I should point out, is that you can take an excellent machine, and make it fly poorly, with poor electronics.
Likewise, you can sometimes take a fairly low quality machine, and make it fly fairly well with good electronics. It may not last long, or hold up well, but it can usually be made to fly fairly well (I have tried this with some of the budget 450 clones). This is a bit different than the discussion we are having (above).
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03-08-2013, 06:13 AM | #275 (permalink) |
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I've flown 8717's for several years now in 550 or larger machines, so I won't have a basis against which to compare my MKS servos in the Warp. My primary concern isn't feel...it's reliability. I tend to think reliability is a "get what you pay for" trait. Not always, but more often than not.
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03-08-2013, 04:29 PM | #276 (permalink) | |
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03-09-2013, 04:57 PM | #277 (permalink) |
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I just got done ordering my setup
Warp 360 green Edge main and tail blades Scorpion hk 2520 MKS DS 95 & DS95i servos YGE 90 Lv w/prog iii card SK540 DSMX sat Pulse ultra 1350mah I was hoping to get some TP packs but will weight until the G8's are out. I have some learning to do most of my gear these days are vbar, kontroniks, futaba, radix and TP. Learning the YGE and Sk540 will be fun. Should be a nice setup, can't wait to start the build. |
03-09-2013, 05:13 PM | #278 (permalink) |
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Thanks everyone on the conversation around servos. I hadn't really considered that the FBL unit is the one actually driving the servos and I'm just merely giving it suggestions on which way to go. Faster and torquier servos would make it work smoother as it will be making corrections much faster than I ever could.
I can't say I've totally made up my mind, but think I'm starting to better understand what a higher end servo brings to the party.
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03-09-2013, 06:16 PM | #279 (permalink) | |
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I'm not saying you need insanely expensive servos but a decent quality and just as importantly, slop free, servo is very important in my opinion. Back to the Warp!
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03-09-2013, 06:56 PM | #280 (permalink) |
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That makes sense to me. It's sort of ironic how you can see the difference in a hover, but I have to agree with you. My machine isn't the least bit loose, or twitchy. Dead steady. Rigid head, good servos. Seems the FBL unit can do it's job to the fullest.
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