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Jacobpr · 05-23-2011, 10:45 AM

Does any knows if i can get individual cell reading for internal resistance with this charger?

AnTi Taco · 05-23-2011, 11:03 AM

Nope I wish u could

TJinGuy · 05-23-2011, 02:19 PM

Do to the fact that Hyperion has not innovated anything in years, no you can not do per cell IR. Likewise you can never do regenerative discharging.

CyberPlainsDrifter · 05-23-2011, 06:37 PM

Hey Chris, your reputation precedes you!
What is the point of the above mentioned capabilities? the regenreative discharge I sor tof get, but wha tis the point of measuring internal resisitance? Does this give an indication of the batteries state of health? ie more IR less healthy???

I will drop you an email via your home page in the next while, hope you wont mind..

TJinGuy · 05-23-2011, 06:50 PM

Measuring the ir of a pack gives you a way to determine the quality, health and performance of a pack. It is by no means an exact thing, as there are way too many variables, but it can be useful. Most chargers can measure the pack ir and each individual cell ir, the Hyperion's can not. Honestly the only useful measurement for most people is the individual cell ir. That way you can see if a cell is out of whack or simply how well the pack is matched.

3D Dave · 05-24-2011, 01:39 PM

Why do I keep reading that Hyperion does not show individual cell IR?

My Duo 3 shows it. Just a few button presses after the charge and it's all there.

Mind you, it's not as accurate as my PL8 and 10s charger but it IS there so I can at least have a rough idea how each cell is doing health-wise.

TJinGuy · 05-24-2011, 02:21 PM

Sounds like you Hyperion charger is different than everyone else's then. How about a photo of the screen on yours so we can see what it looks like?

MaSt0RaS · 05-24-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3D Dave

Why do I keep reading that Hyperion does not show individual cell IR?

My Duo 3 shows it. Just a few button presses after the charge and it's all there.

Mind you, it's not as accurate as my PL8 and 10s charger but it IS there so I can at least have a rough idea how each cell is doing health-wise.

LoL you can see the IR of all the cells not one by one..!

Jacobpr · 05-24-2011, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3D Dave

Why do I keep reading that Hyperion does not show individual cell IR?

My Duo 3 shows it. Just a few button presses after the charge and it's all there.

Mind you, it's not as accurate as my PL8 and 10s charger but it IS there so I can at least have a rough idea how each cell is doing health-wise.

Really? Can you tell me the steps to get there?

3D Dave · 05-24-2011, 11:51 PM

Ok, you guys were right...

It shows me the whole pack ir (13mOhms) on my test pack.

I guess it's easy to forget when you have 2 other chargers that DO show individual cell IR.

To those that want/need to see individual cell IR, you'll have to buy a FMA Cellpro 10s or Power Lab 8 charger.

desertstalker · 05-25-2011, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3D Dave

To those that want/need to see individual cell IR, you'll have to buy a FMA Cellpro 10s or Power Lab 8 charger.

Or an iCharger, even the basic one does cell IR

StatiC · 11-12-2013, 03:36 PM

Bumping an old thread.... Just in case someone from this old thread doesn't know.... As of a year ago the Hyperion chargers can show cell IR. I just stumbled onto this fact but assumed after searching and finding this post a week ago that they still didn't. I just updated my firmware so I am looking forward to the individual cell IR. They also updated the IR in 5.86 to be more inline with other chargers (will read a little lower than before). You will probably want the latest though which is 5.91 (which is what I just installed).

5.82 (Oct 27th 2012) http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=4160
- Fix: It has bigger tolerances for balancer circuit failure detection, meaning those that get OUTPUT BATTERY CONNECTION (or slight variances) error at end of charge, will most likely not see them anymore, and if they do, that really means there is a connection issue on your balancer board, no more false positives.
- New: Internal Resistance per Cell can now be viewed (under Balancer, while charging)
- New: Rampup during charge for measuring breaks now takes it slower on storage mode too so Generators can catch up.
- New: TCS now allows 1% resolution between 95 to 100%
- New: Storage level % can now be programmed by the user (default 60%)
- New: New QuickCharge mode but at this time we suggest using TCS rather, especially now when the TCS has better resolution during the last 5%

Latest firmware 5.91:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=4628

Haplo · 11-18-2013, 10:41 PM

Thanks xStatiCa for the heads up ! I was missing a ton of updates for my Hyperions (720 and 1420).

05-23-2011, 10:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jacobpr Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2010	Hyperion 720i duo3 IR Does any knows if i can get individual cell reading for internal resistance with this charger?

05-23-2011, 11:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
AnTi Taco Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2010	Nope I wish u could __________________ Compass 7HV 9180/9188 Vbar Compass 6HV 9180/9188 Skookum,4025-630KV Compass 6HV Savox/ 9188, Vbar, Fusion 50 9080/9088 Beast X Velocity 50n 9080/9088 VbarSAB Goblin 9180/9188 Kontronik helijive Coming soon

05-23-2011, 02:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	Do to the fact that Hyperion has not innovated anything in years, no you can not do per cell IR. Likewise you can never do regenerative discharging. __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

05-23-2011, 06:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	Measuring the ir of a pack gives you a way to determine the quality, health and performance of a pack. It is by no means an exact thing, as there are way too many variables, but it can be useful. Most chargers can measure the pack ir and each individual cell ir, the Hyperion's can not. Honestly the only useful measurement for most people is the individual cell ir. That way you can see if a cell is out of whack or simply how well the pack is matched. __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

05-24-2011, 01:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
3D Dave Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Area	Why do I keep reading that Hyperion does not show individual cell IR? My Duo 3 shows it. Just a few button presses after the charge and it's all there. Mind you, it's not as accurate as my PL8 and 10s charger but it IS there so I can at least have a rough idea how each cell is doing health-wise. __________________ Diabolo 700UL / Logo 700 / Oxy 5 / Goblin 500 / Oxy 2 FE / Blade 180CFX / mCPxBL / nano CPS / V-Bar NEO / V-Bar Control / uBrain / DX7

05-23-2011, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
CyberPlainsDrifter Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2011	Hey Chris, your reputation precedes you! What is the point of the above mentioned capabilities? the regenreative discharge I sor tof get, but wha tis the point of measuring internal resisitance? Does this give an indication of the batteries state of health? ie more IR less healthy??? I will drop you an email via your home page in the next while, hope you wont mind..

05-24-2011, 02:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
TJinGuy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	Sounds like you Hyperion charger is different than everyone else's then. How about a photo of the screen on yours so we can see what it looks like? __________________ - Chris TJinTech heli...info...news...such Helis: TRex 450 Pro - Protos - TRex 550e Stuff: Spektrum DX7 - iCharger 208B - Hyperion G3

05-24-2011, 11:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
3D Dave Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Area	Ok, you guys were right... It shows me the whole pack ir (13mOhms) on my test pack. I guess it's easy to forget when you have 2 other chargers that DO show individual cell IR. To those that want/need to see individual cell IR, you'll have to buy a FMA Cellpro 10s or Power Lab 8 charger. __________________ Diabolo 700UL / Logo 700 / Oxy 5 / Goblin 500 / Oxy 2 FE / Blade 180CFX / mCPxBL / nano CPS / V-Bar NEO / V-Bar Control / uBrain / DX7 Last edited by 3D Dave; 05-26-2011 at 12:36 AM..

11-12-2013, 03:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
StatiC Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2006	Bumping an old thread.... Just in case someone from this old thread doesn't know.... As of a year ago the Hyperion chargers can show cell IR. I just stumbled onto this fact but assumed after searching and finding this post a week ago that they still didn't. I just updated my firmware so I am looking forward to the individual cell IR. They also updated the IR in 5.86 to be more inline with other chargers (will read a little lower than before). You will probably want the latest though which is 5.91 (which is what I just installed). 5.82 (Oct 27th 2012) http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=4160 - Fix: It has bigger tolerances for balancer circuit failure detection, meaning those that get OUTPUT BATTERY CONNECTION (or slight variances) error at end of charge, will most likely not see them anymore, and if they do, that really means there is a connection issue on your balancer board, no more false positives. - New: Internal Resistance per Cell can now be viewed (under Balancer, while charging) - New: Rampup during charge for measuring breaks now takes it slower on storage mode too so Generators can catch up. - New: TCS now allows 1% resolution between 95 to 100% - New: Storage level % can now be programmed by the user (default 60%) - New: New QuickCharge mode but at this time we suggest using TCS rather, especially now when the TCS has better resolution during the last 5% Latest firmware 5.91: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=4628 __________________ Helis: OMP M4, M1 Evo DLGs: Solar, Arctus, BAMF 2 Previous helis: Concept 30 DX, HeliMax MX400, Trex 450, 600, 700e F3C V2, 500e, 550e V2, Nano CP X, MCP X BL

11-18-2013, 10:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Haplo Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	Excellent Thanks xStatiCa for the heads up ! I was missing a ton of updates for my Hyperions (720 and 1420).

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