Finding a good upgrade motor for a 300X... Scorpion 2208-24 winner.

[Epoweredrc]

So got my 300X I got used off RCG today got all my stuff put in went out to try out and darn thing about did a flip on the ground. came in took the blades off, head off, main shaft out everything and the motor is vibration like crazy...

so now need motor but don't really have funds to spend much

any ideas..

the stock e flite motor might been okay if someone hadn't decided to fill a HUGE chunk out of the side of it

Anyone ever see someone do this to a motor?

[Epoweredrc]

Wow no one.. Okay so it seems the following motors have been used sussefully in the 300x

Scorpion 2208-24? Not much info other then someone did try this one

scorpion HK2213-14

Hyperion 2213-3585

Lynx 2214-3S-4100

dons wicked

Any others anyone using that work well and or comments on the ones i listed

Like to see all 300x sized motors listed here, and using stock 1300 mah battery

if your using a 450 sized motor please list the pinion u using, HS ur flying at and batt size and flight time thanks

[terryv83]

I've never seen that before. I use the lynx motor 13T pinion using a talon 35 esc governor at 3500, 3650 and 3800 on the stock 1350 lipo. Very smooth and if I only fly gentle sport I get 4:30 with about 30 seconds to land and I'm putting back just over 800 mah, but if I get aggressive on the stock lipo I need to be on the ground in 3:30 minutes. Be aware my 300X is a heavily modified, heavy weighted heli.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by terryv83

I've never seen that before. I use the lynx motor 13T pinion using a talon 35 esc governor at 3500, 3650 and 3800 on the stock 1350 lipo. Very smooth and if I only fly gentle sport I get 4:30 with about 30 seconds to land and I'm putting back just over 800 mah, but if I get aggressive on the stock lipo I need to be on the ground in 3:30 minutes. Be aware my 300X is a heavily modified, heavy weighted heli.

Thank you for that info, you have a fully decked out aluminum heli i guess. on a 1300mah 4 minute flights is fine with me. That lynx is a 300 sized motor right, i wont have to cut anything to make it fit into the stock frame or do you know
Stock motor is 1.022 diameter

[shinybrute]

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

I am using this guy right now with 11 tooth pinion. I have the 12,13 and 14 tooth pinions and will test each one but the 11 is real smooth and im getting almost 4:30 flight time. for the price you cant beat it!

[Livan75]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

if your using a 450 sized motor please list the pinion u using, HS ur flying at and batt size and flight time thanks

I run a Typhoon 450H 2215-3550kv, 14T slant pinion (Lynx 136T main gear on stock hub) YEP40 governed at 3700RPM.

Flight time is 3.30 (Nano-Tech 1.3 45-90C) pretty hard 3d practice...

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...50_class_.html

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by shinybrute

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

I am using this guy right now with 11 tooth pinion. I have the 12,13 and 14 tooth pinions and will test each one but the 11 is real smooth and im getting almost 4:30 flight time. for the price you cant beat it!

Stock esc or something else? man that motor is heavy...


I am looking at the 2208-24 motor its lighter then stock and i just try a Scoprion 2221-8 in mine with a 13 tooth so i know with a 13 tooth a motor that size would fit.. but if it cant go with a 13 t pinion on the motor i dont kno how the elevator will ever clear you guys must be running lot shorter arms

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by Livan75

I run a Typhoon 450H 2215-3550kv, 14T slant pinion (Lynx 136T main gear on stock hub) YEP40 governed at 3700RPM.

Flight time is 3.30 (Nano-Tech 1.3 45-90C) pretty hard 3d practice...

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...50_class_.html

Well that one is a lil lighter then the other.
14 tooth pinion oh wow. how come the driffrent tooth main gear? is that why you running a 14 so the mesh would mesh up w/o the motor hitting the elevator control arm

Thanks for the info

[Murph_d]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

I am looking at the 2208-24 motor

If you try this one, please post your impressions, I'm interested in it as well.
I've been using the Parkfly P2632. Very happy with it, but apparently no longer available.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by Murph_d

If you try this one, please post your impressions, I'm interested in it as well.
I've been using the Parkfly P2632. Very happy with it, but apparently no longer available.

Yeah, I think I am about decided on it, Looks like th stock ESC will be fine with it and I found some data online looks like with a 13 tooth pinion you can get 3400 HS at 90% TC and 3100 HS at 83% at least one guy did and we did the math and it seems really close.
I hate to pay Almost $60 for a motor this was suppose to be a cheaply built heli.

[Murph_d]

yeh, the Parkfly was only $8.00. HK lists this one http://http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=8144 for $13.95 but I don't know anything about it.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by Murph_d

yeh, the Parkfly was only $8.00. HK lists this one http://http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=8144 for $13.95 but I don't know anything about it.

Yeah I asked somewhere else about that one and someone said didn't think it be very good, someone has a 300X for sale here with a red looking moter like that in it and i PM asked about the motor and never heard back from them.

[Livan75]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

Well that one is a lil lighter then the other.
14 tooth pinion oh wow. how come the driffrent tooth main gear? is that why you running a 14 so the mesh would mesh up w/o the motor hitting the elevator control arm

Thanks for the info

Its because the kv on the Typhoon motor is much lower than the kv on the stock motor so you need the bigger pinion to get the correct head speed (3550kv vs 4500kv). Not rubbing against the servo arm is a bonus

The Lynx slant main gear and stock main gear is about the same diameter so I guess the lower number of teeth is because of the shape of the teeth, can fit less on the same diameter...

[Epoweredrc]

Thanks for the info, I went ahead and ordered a Scorpion HKII 2208-24
I got a 11-13 tooth pinion for it too, plan to use the 13 I will post data once i get it and run it I will post real life head speeds with my tach, and sure i will hook the watts meter to it and see how many amps it is pulling, all this be done at 0 pitch with a fresh battery. I plan to tach it at 70/80/90/100 % TC to see how much difference.
should be sometime next week.

[vronny]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

Yeah I asked somewhere else about that one and someone said didn't think it be very good, someone has a 300X for sale here with a red looking moter like that in it and i PM asked about the motor and never heard back from them.

Might be Don's wicked motor the same size as parkfly 2632 from HK which is pink.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by vronny

Might be Don's wicked motor the same size as parkfly 2632 from HK which is pink.

yeah i think it was a dons wicked. after looking at the tunigy one on HK seems a few have had the wicked motor, seen one on ebay yesterday

[Tuvison]

Any idea what headspeeds would be normal when governing the Scorpion 2208-24? Its very similar in KV to the TGY Typhoon so would 3600~ be attainable?

EDIT: Or would be Scorpion/Hyperion HKII-2213-14 be more suitable for those headspeeds?

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by Tuvison

Any idea what headspeeds would be normal when governing the Scorpion 2208-24? Its very similar in KV to the TGY Typhoon so would 3600~ be attainable?

I used to run gov mode back in the day with the old blade 400, and a castle esc, so did my father and we always had some tail wag and i have read others who said using Gov mode they have tail wag, a part of me wants to try gov mode then a part of me doesn't but anyhow as i posted above one guy ( I did a google on that motor for data and found it) said he got the following data
13 tooth pinion you can get 3400 HS at 90% TC
and 3100 HS at 83%

I will be testing at 70/80/90/ and 100% HS to see what I do indeed get. I mean its not trouble to test to find out.
I am really hoping for at least 3500/3600 at 100%, just because I flew my fathers with 3300 max and it felt a lil slow. but it was flyable.
I went with this motor over the 2213 or whatever cause of the weight and i wanted to be able to use the stock ESC. I still might add a BEC to the stock esc. or might go ahead and try my castle 25esc and just put a BEC on it. however with the stock switching BEC I should be okay. Also it seems this motor will fit into the CFX frame w/o hacking the frame

I am bad at math, but i would think the 2213 would go on up to 3800 or more maybe. there is data on this site just have to dig it out.

[DoubleCH]

Originally Posted by Tuvison

Any idea what headspeeds would be normal when governing the Scorpion 2208-24? Its very similar in KV to the TGY Typhoon so would 3600~ be attainable?

EDIT: Or would be Scorpion/Hyperion HKII-2213-14 be more suitable for those headspeeds?

2208 won't maintain 3600 under load because it's a 220W-ish motor for a 250-size heli. You need at least 330W from 2213 (if efficient enough like the Hyperion/Scorpion) or 2214 (Lynx) or even 2215 (Typhoon).

[Epoweredrc]

Thanks DoubleCh but I was talking 0 pitch is what I will be testing at. guess i should have posted that in flight I have no clue. I know my dads Trex 450 at 3600 is INSANE power.