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Pipefish · 10-06-2004, 11:08 AM

Can you imagine how chep is for them to just see what their costumers are looking for? No need to pay for a poll or similar.

On my Raptor I had the same setup (belt drive) and I have to look for the right compression ratio.

Hey Bimmer, I cannot afford the belt drive mod yet although I can buy the Ultem or the Micro Heli mods. Wich of them you´ll recommend?

Regards

daywalker · 10-08-2004, 04:37 PM

I bought a wider and taller landing gear from http://www.helihobby.com It's a lot more flexible but more stable. It's actually an ftermarket Hiummingbird landing skids.

Pipefish · 10-08-2004, 06:14 PM

It´s a pitty that the prices still too high...

turboomni · 10-09-2004, 11:16 PM

Well, I have five consecutive flights without a failure on the Zoom since installing the belt drive. That's a record - it was three before. I still have to work on it a little because the duration is down and the battery gets a lot hotter than it used to. I think I still have the tension a little too tight.

I'm going to try loosening it a little the next time I fly it.[/quote]\

Although I am new to electric Heli's I have many ,many flights with my stock Zoom with the 2nd stock motor now and the present gears[STOCK}. I did have a warped tail boom driveshaft that was replace with a new one AND replaced with the NEW Bevel Gear setup which I have NOT used yet. These were sent to me FREE plus a few other items from the factory. I do however am carefull about gear mesh and fly only from concrete NOT grass.

rob_jones · 10-10-2004, 09:15 AM

turbo:

There seem to be two very different experiences that folks have with the Zoom. Some, like you, don't have any trouble with the tail gears. Some, like me, have nothing but trouble.

I can't explain why that is, unless it something to do with having the right "touch" when setting them up. Or maybe there are some "good" gears and some "bad" ones.

Hey, if you want another stock motor, let me know. I have the one that came out mine that I never used. :mrgreen:

turboomni · 10-10-2004, 09:32 AM

Thanks for ther offer with an extra stock motor. I should be getting my 400Dh in a day or so.
The belt drive would be the best overall situatuion and add piece of mind. If my gears start to crap out often, I would get the belt system.

Pipefish · 10-10-2004, 09:54 AM

Guys, I was reading on RunRider (http://runryder.com/helicopter/t134654p1/) that the guys are getting pretty sure that the vilain on the tail wag is the interference between the Gyro and the CC25 ESC.

Some of them are using tin foil to wrap the servos, wires and gyro.

What about that huh?

daywalker · 10-10-2004, 10:20 AM

What gyro are they using that is causing the wag? I'm going to get a CC Phoenix 25 controller for my Himax. I hope I don't run into problems.

capebob · 10-10-2004, 10:55 AM

I'm almost positive that the tail wag is caused by the Phoenix 25. I have a rear, tail boom mounted 401 and had my wires running down along the bottom of the frames right next to the speed control. I rerouted the gyro lead to the top of the frame just under the spur gear and that eliminated the tail wag that I had.

Bob

Pipefish · 10-10-2004, 11:43 AM

I´m very impressed that this can be the answer to LOTS of tail wags on Shoguns around the world and we´re just revealing! ! ! ! !

rob_jones · 10-10-2004, 06:33 PM

You've got me thinking something....

I had real bad glitching on mine when I first set it up. I put a choke on the lead from the ESC to the reciever and the glitch went away. I wonder if using another one on the gyro lead would help?

I have another one and I'll try it. Can't hurt, right??

Pipefish · 10-10-2004, 06:37 PM

Hehe, just hurted my understanding on what is a "choke". In my AIKIDO classes is kind of "giving a tie" on the opponent. On the ancient cars it is used to raise the acceleration. I can´t figure out what it is on this topic.
Not your blame (of course), it´s just my poo english

rob_jones · 10-10-2004, 09:10 PM

LOL!

In this case, a "choke" is basically a magnet that absorbs radio interference. The ones I use are little rings that you loop the servo wires through. Others plug in line with the servo leads. Either way they do a very good job of reducing interfence conducted along the servo wires.

I think the CC25 must be very "noisy" because the glitching was so bad until I installed the choke on the ESC lead. I'm going to try it on the gyro and see if helps the tail wagging.

Pipefish · 10-10-2004, 09:58 PM

Hehehe, thanks for the english class!

Maybe I can´t find this choke here in Brasil, so , what about the tin foils?

regards

rob_jones · 10-10-2004, 10:24 PM

Quote:

so , what about the tin foils?

Don't know. Never tried that.

If your hobby shop can get JR products, they should be able to get the chokes. Mine are made by JR. If not, maybe I can get some for you and send them to you.

Pipefish · 10-11-2004, 10:20 AM

Bimmer,

95% of the radios here are Futaba, so, there´s no JR around. You think I can use

same of yours in my Futaba?

Talking ´bout it: I´ve found a 1024 PCM 6ch from Futaba for 65 you think I can use

it on Shogun?

Regards

rob_jones · 10-11-2004, 10:27 AM

Yes, you can use the JR chokes on Futaba. There is nothing special about them that would prevent it. I'm sure that JR probably doesn't actually manufacture the things, anyway. They probably just get them somewhere. There is no reason why they couldn't be used with any brand of radio.

That receiver ought to work fine. The only thing you have to be careful of is the size and weight. You should try to avoid using a big and heavy reciever. If you have no choice, an option is to remove the plastic case. that will reduce the size and weight a little bit.

Pipefish · 10-12-2004, 09:21 AM

If you can send me, I can send you the money via PayPal?
Regards

rob_jones · 10-12-2004, 09:42 AM

Ok, sure! But PayPal is dead right now!

I will pick some up this weekend. I think they are about $10.

Pipefish · 10-12-2004, 09:52 AM

Yes PP is dead! Any clue when it´s going to work again?

10-06-2004, 11:08 AM	#41 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Tight X loose Can you imagine how chep is for them to just see what their costumers are looking for? No need to pay for a poll or similar. On my Raptor I had the same setup (belt drive) and I have to look for the right compression ratio. Hey Bimmer, I cannot afford the belt drive mod yet although I can buy the Ultem or the Micro Heli mods. Wich of them you´ll recommend? Regards

10-10-2004, 10:55 AM	#49 (permalink)
capebob Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2004	I'm almost positive that the tail wag is caused by the Phoenix 25. I have a rear, tail boom mounted 401 and had my wires running down along the bottom of the frames right next to the speed control. I rerouted the gyro lead to the top of the frame just under the spur gear and that eliminated the tail wag that I had. Bob __________________ Samuel Adams field rep Buffalo Wings field rep Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Churchill

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10-08-2004, 04:37 PM	#42 (permalink)
daywalker Join Date: Sep 2004	I bought a wider and taller landing gear from http://www.helihobby.com It's a lot more flexible but more stable. It's actually an ftermarket Hiummingbird landing skids.

10-08-2004, 06:14 PM	#43 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	It´s a pitty that the prices still too high...

10-09-2004, 11:16 PM	#44 (permalink)
turboomni Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2004	Well, I have five consecutive flights without a failure on the Zoom since installing the belt drive. That's a record - it was three before. I still have to work on it a little because the duration is down and the battery gets a lot hotter than it used to. I think I still have the tension a little too tight. I'm going to try loosening it a little the next time I fly it.[/quote]\ Although I am new to electric Heli's I have many ,many flights with my stock Zoom with the 2nd stock motor now and the present gears[STOCK}. I did have a warped tail boom driveshaft that was replace with a new one AND replaced with the NEW Bevel Gear setup which I have NOT used yet. These were sent to me FREE plus a few other items from the factory. I do however am carefull about gear mesh and fly only from concrete NOT grass.

10-10-2004, 09:15 AM	#45 (permalink)
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	turbo: There seem to be two very different experiences that folks have with the Zoom. Some, like you, don't have any trouble with the tail gears. Some, like me, have nothing but trouble. I can't explain why that is, unless it something to do with having the right "touch" when setting them up. Or maybe there are some "good" gears and some "bad" ones. Hey, if you want another stock motor, let me know. I have the one that came out mine that I never used. :mrgreen:

10-10-2004, 09:32 AM	#46 (permalink)
turboomni Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2004	Thanks for ther offer with an extra stock motor. I should be getting my 400Dh in a day or so. The belt drive would be the best overall situatuion and add piece of mind. If my gears start to crap out often, I would get the belt system.

10-10-2004, 09:54 AM	#47 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Guys, I was reading on RunRider (http://runryder.com/helicopter/t134654p1/) that the guys are getting pretty sure that the vilain on the tail wag is the interference between the Gyro and the CC25 ESC. Some of them are using tin foil to wrap the servos, wires and gyro. What about that huh?

10-10-2004, 10:20 AM	#48 (permalink)
daywalker Join Date: Sep 2004	What gyro are they using that is causing the wag? I'm going to get a CC Phoenix 25 controller for my Himax. I hope I don't run into problems.

10-10-2004, 11:43 AM	#50 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	I´m very impressed that this can be the answer to LOTS of tail wags on Shoguns around the world and we´re just revealing! ! ! ! !

10-10-2004, 06:33 PM	#51 (permalink)
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	You've got me thinking something.... I had real bad glitching on mine when I first set it up. I put a choke on the lead from the ESC to the reciever and the glitch went away. I wonder if using another one on the gyro lead would help? I have another one and I'll try it. Can't hurt, right??

10-10-2004, 06:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Hehe, just hurted my understanding on what is a "choke". In my AIKIDO classes is kind of "giving a tie" on the opponent. On the ancient cars it is used to raise the acceleration. I can´t figure out what it is on this topic. Not your blame (of course), it´s just my poo english

10-10-2004, 09:10 PM	#53 (permalink)
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	LOL! In this case, a "choke" is basically a magnet that absorbs radio interference. The ones I use are little rings that you loop the servo wires through. Others plug in line with the servo leads. Either way they do a very good job of reducing interfence conducted along the servo wires. I think the CC25 must be very "noisy" because the glitching was so bad until I installed the choke on the ESC lead. I'm going to try it on the gyro and see if helps the tail wagging.

10-10-2004, 09:58 PM	#54 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Hehehe, thanks for the english class! Maybe I can´t find this choke here in Brasil, so , what about the tin foils? regards

10-11-2004, 10:20 AM	#56 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Bimmer, 95% of the radios here are Futaba, so, there´s no JR around. You think I can use same of yours in my Futaba? Talking ´bout it: I´ve found a 1024 PCM 6ch from Futaba for 65 you think I can use it on Shogun? Regards

10-11-2004, 10:27 AM	#57 (permalink)
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Yes, you can use the JR chokes on Futaba. There is nothing special about them that would prevent it. I'm sure that JR probably doesn't actually manufacture the things, anyway. They probably just get them somewhere. There is no reason why they couldn't be used with any brand of radio. That receiver ought to work fine. The only thing you have to be careful of is the size and weight. You should try to avoid using a big and heavy reciever. If you have no choice, an option is to remove the plastic case. that will reduce the size and weight a little bit.

10-12-2004, 09:21 AM	#58 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	If you can send me, I can send you the money via PayPal? Regards

10-12-2004, 09:42 AM	#59 (permalink)
rob_jones Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Ok, sure! But PayPal is dead right now! I will pick some up this weekend. I think they are about $10.

10-12-2004, 09:52 AM	#60 (permalink)
Pipefish Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2004	Yes PP is dead! Any clue when it´s going to work again?

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