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02-12-2011, 02:02 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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starting to get really frustrated
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like it’s one problem after another with this V90 - everyone is very helpful on this forum, but it doesn't take away from the fact that I have to deal with something new every day (and I barely even flew it).
Here’s the new thing: Did anyone ever had to replace the starter shaft? I had a problem and messed it up (was my fault) - after waiting for a new starter shaft from England because no one in the States has it (go figure), I finally received it and it's a different design. Rather than having M4X4 screws go into the hex start adapter and tighten against the flat surface on the start shaft, the new one has basically two screws that are supposed to squeeze the hex adapter onto the start shaft - it doesn't matter how hard I tighten those screws, once I put the starter in, the hex start adapter just slips on the shaft and needless to say I can't start the motor... I even tried JBweld, which I’m going to try again right now, but that wasn't enough either. Back to my first point about being frustrated, it's annoying that I have to keep on modifying the kit; first it was the tail slider, then the TT splines (which by the way should be manufactured and sold as one piece with the TT to avoid the splines flying apart), then all the tail gears that I had to glue together because the screws wouldn't hold and the gears would just slide on the shaft freely (which should also be manufactured as one piece), then the canopy and the canopy mounts, now this start shaft, what's next??? I flew the V90 twice and loved it!!! But at this point it’s only aggravations and frustration – I just wanna fly!!! Anyway, sorry for the rant, but any ideas regarding the start shaft and the Hex adapter? Thanks Last edited by RCF100; 02-12-2011 at 04:52 PM.. |
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02-12-2011, 02:45 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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that's exactly the part i got; it just slips with one turn of the starter...
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02-12-2011, 05:35 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Use the old style Velocity 50 hex cup for the started shaft! And use the Velocity 90 shaft with the flat! I totally agree with you, the clamp type is s**t!
For the canopy mounts, I used RC Booya T-Rex 550 Quick Release mounts... Just cut the plastic mount down a bit on the front of the heli! |
02-12-2011, 05:36 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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As stated by Greg in the referred post the chinch type starter shaft that you received is for the V50 not the V90. The new V90 starter shaft should only differ from the original by having an additional set screw 90 degrees offset from the other.
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02-12-2011, 05:41 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Are you sure?? My Velocity 90 kit came with the clamp type... I then ordered a "New" Velocity 90 one, the pic showed the set screw type... But when I got it, it was another clamp one!! In a Velocity 90 bag!
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02-12-2011, 05:45 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I have the original starter shaft and hex adapter, and when I was assembling the heli, the flat spot on the shaft wasent exposed out of the bearing enough for the grub screw to mate on it well, all I did was extend the flat area a bit with a dremel. no issues with lots of starts..
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02-12-2011, 05:52 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Capi...soon there will be a different "hex start adapter"...the start shaft is the same...we are just redo'ing with 2 set screws 90 degrees from each other...as you know...that give much more holding strength than just 1 set screw on the flat spot...
Was there an issue with the original one...no not really...it worked fine more often than not...but had some reports that with strong starters and hydra-locked engines some customers had the single set screw slip past the flat spot on shaft. This will not be an upgrade or anything...it will just be the normal Hex Start Adapter in the Start Shaft Assy when they are back in stock. Outrage is always looking at info that we get back from customers...and this is one of those things that since we had to do another run of the Hex Adapters...why not change to one that will hold better on the 90's. I also believe the "wall" thickness where the setscrews thread in will be increased to give more "bite" on the set screw...as we had some reports that the threads were sometimes stripping after removing and installing the adapter a few times... Capi...no this cinch type works great on the 50...but does not have enough holding power on the 90's...I tried it...and got about two starts before it slipped on the 90...I have probably 25 starts or so with this style on my YS56 and it is going strong...but huge compression difference between YS56 and YS91... I like the cinch style on the 50...my eyes are not what they used to be...and I have a hard time lining up the flat spot with the set screw...especialy while looking through the frames...so easy to slide this adapter on the start shart and cinch down with two screws with no aligning up the flat spot! ha! These are the quotes from the thread that Kazager posted. If they are shipping and labeling them in correctly Helidirect/Prestige RC/Outrage RC needs to be notified. They have a blog at Outragerc.com. |
02-12-2011, 09:19 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Someone needs to learn to use Quotes
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02-12-2011, 11:03 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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by the way, the new shaft also has a flat spot on it |
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02-12-2011, 11:09 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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I wish I could just buy the original shaft and hex - had no problems with it whatsoever... why would they even sell a part that doesn't work??
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02-12-2011, 11:27 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Hi,
I had the same problem. the adapter thats beeing squeezed onto the shaft was originally supplied with the kit I baught last dezember. I was not able to put both screws on it, because for one screw the shaft itself was in the way. Absolutely no way to mount this second screw. talked to my LHS, they said that this one wouldnt work. Its been designed wrong. I then got another one with two set screws at a 90° angle. this one works fine! Me neither, I cant understand, why they put stuff in the kit, that doesnt work at all! I mean first, I paid a lot of money, so I expect everything to work. second they would have had to test-mount the adapter, before making it a stock part....which they obviously didnt! cheers, cyril |
02-12-2011, 11:53 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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There are only a handful of test pilots, all of them used the starters they owned. Not everyone who has a 90 kit has experienced this problem. You cannot test every possible situation before you release a kit. You do your best and fix the problems as they come up.
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02-13-2011, 02:31 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Just hit quote in the other thread, then cut and paste the section into this one.
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02-13-2011, 06:25 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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I guess these are growing pains you gotta go through when buying a completely newly designed kit. I understand, but would expect that if they made a mistake and sold a part that was poorly designed, to immediately replace it and send me a new part - it's not at all about the money, it's about satisfying your customers - after all we're all test pilots here at the end of the day; at least until this kit is problems free; and I think we all wanna fly the V90, or else I would be on the 700 forum.
I love my V90; I love it to the point of willing to deal with all these problems and not smashing it against the first tree I see just because... and as I said before, I understand this is a new kit, and aside from just being frustrated with recent problems and talking about it, the goal for this thread, beyond everything, is for Outrage to fix the problem and fix it asap. I'm also hoping that anyone else would report any problem they might run into - for the purpose of helping Outrage find and address those issues - snow and all, I wanna fly!!! Back to my start shaft, can anyone from Outrage here suggest what I should do now?? Honestly, even if Outrage made a mistake and packaged the wrong item into a V90 bag, I would just go and buy the right item as soon as I realized it – but, again, no one has the right part (I ordered this shaft from England). |
02-13-2011, 12:27 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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Guy...we are working all of these issue you bring up...I will be the first person to say that yes, I believe some of the 90 starter shaft assy made it out with the "cinch" style hex adapter. Although I don't think any made it out if the US distributor with the exceptions of the ones I tried. (although, not 100% sure of this)
Now, I might get scolded by my own employers here...but if your Velocity 90 is grounded because of the hex start adapter, you can get one from a different manufacturer until we get our new ones manufactured. I would much rather have you happy flying the Velocity 90 using an Align Trex600 hex start adapter than upset looking at an expensive paper weight while waiting for our new hex start adapter. The key is to find one with 2 set screws 90 degrees apart...this arrange of set screws has much more holding power than one set screw or 2 set screws 180 degrees apart. |
02-13-2011, 03:04 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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Well what I did in the mean, just because I really wanted to fly today, was, I dremeled a bigger flat spot on the new shaft and used the old hex with the screws that go onto the flat surface. it's not perfect as one of the screws is slipping, but all I really need is one to screw on the flat part of the shaft - it seems to hold for now but I definetely need a replacement for it.
while we're on the subject of re-designing new parts, the tail rod guides keep on braking as well - maybe another area for improvment. |
02-13-2011, 04:21 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Rcf100...are u using the new guides "R90N322-3" or the original ones?
http://www.helidirect.com/r90n3223-o...ty-p-21079.hdx I have not had any of the new guides above break on my 90 since changing over. |
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