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01-03-2013, 06:42 PM | #41 (permalink) | |
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I will take better pics of my Rakon frame tomorrow when the lights better. It is dark now and hard to take a good picture.
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01-03-2013, 06:45 PM | #42 (permalink) | |
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01-03-2013, 07:29 PM | #43 (permalink) |
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You know I really want to like this frame. I have had a few rakon parts for my mcpx and loved them. That prompted me to purchase the advanced swash for the nano and I love that it flies so much better than stock with the rakon swash. But, this frame is just horrible The price is for sure way to high at $55 I am not even sure I would be a beta tester on it for $25 it just looks like such a poor design. Maybe if it was $20 bucks I would give it a shot and not feel terrible when it took a on me in a crash. There is just no way this much aluminum and just using the PCB's of the nano as a support is going to last.
Although I guess if you are like Varc and barely fly your heli or crash it might be perfect. Man I am so dissapointed.
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01-03-2013, 07:32 PM | #44 (permalink) |
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Uh no. Thats not what Im talking about at all. A fiberglas frame with real servos designed for the MCPX.
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01-03-2013, 07:35 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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I dont know why everybody seems to hate this frame so much when its not even out yet. Please wait till I do my install and review. It looks durable to me for its small size.
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01-03-2013, 07:46 PM | #46 (permalink) |
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Varc don't take it personally bud. There is just know stinkin way this frame is going to be durable. I have had so many aluminum parts on my SR, Mcpx, msr, 130x and a few different walkera helis over the years. They all bend relatively easily. I am ure your install and review will be great because you don't fly hard and don't crash much you have admitted this yourself. So (again don't take it personal) I just don't think your review will be much value to us guys who are practicing/learning 3D. For a scale model am sure it is great jsut not what I was hoping for.
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01-03-2013, 07:49 PM | #47 (permalink) |
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I hear yea. Perhaps somebody will make a frame more suitable for you 3D pilots.
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01-04-2013, 02:37 AM | #48 (permalink) |
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You can only add about this much weight gain to the nano before it starts to bog too much on stock setup.
If you run this frame, it ought to be your only mod, maybe a metal swash and solid boom too wouldn't kill you. This frame would not be suited for good use with airtime skids, which are heavier too. I'll take the airtime skids and a modified stock frame (they can be modified to last much much much longer and still only weigh 2.5g), When I go brushless I may get this CF frame down the road, but it will be the last upgrade if I don't just buy another helicopter at that point with the $55 instead (1/4 of a 130x almost). It probably needs some upgraded parts too unless its a bullet proof setup. Just like every other CF frame on the market... IE Astroid/rakon upgrade for microheli cf frame's boom mount. I plan on keeping the weight down, the stock frame isn't that bad and replacing it is pretty cheap. The replacement parts for this aftermarket frame will likely cost about $5 a set for whatever. A new frame isn't that expensive really compared to this. Guys running a brushless setup that have to spend $15 on a new frame and new CF every time they rebuild, and guys that want good gear mesh out of brushless, and guys that want frames that don't twist and flex for brushless, etc etc, would really benefit from this frame a lot though. |
01-04-2013, 05:45 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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If you have spare servos and another 3-in-1, go for it. You're a great guy, and I like what you do. I just don't like how weak it is. I predict it'll stress the circuit boards and crack them, or will fracture the soldering joints on the chips. Use some heat shrink tubing to insulate the boom wires from that mounting hole. Aluminum's not really a great conductor, but it could strip the epoxy right off the wires.
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01-04-2013, 10:05 AM | #50 (permalink) |
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Well, since Rakon sent me the frame for reviewing, it look's like I'm the Guinea-pig to test it's durability, reliability, strength, performance, and all that good stuff. I just wish I was a 3D pilot so my reviews would be more useful to the average guy. But, I've just recently broken the barrier between hovering and real forward sport-flying thanks to the 130x. So I'm far from getting into 3D.
I'll admit, I am getting more curious about mild 3D and want to know how to flip the helicopter. Maybe 3D isn't the word I'm looking for, but at least basic aerobatics. I am also itching to get a second Nano, but I just can't afford it these day's. Not till I save up for one.
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01-04-2013, 10:26 AM | #51 (permalink) |
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Thank you that means a lot to me. Please note end of my signature, "Friendly Rakon rep!".
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01-04-2013, 11:32 AM | #52 (permalink) | |
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Alltho iv hav stated my reservations n this thread about the frame, I'm looking forward to the review and hard data about it.. I'd love to be proven wrong actually, bc it's the only option rit now, that price point I think will at permanatly keep it from really getting distributed widely. But that's already being addressed, atleast trying to b so maybe there's a chance Rakhon can fix what seemed to be uninformed stab at the market price!! It might b if they get that down, all tho they r gonna need to accept the fact that they actually need to sell 2-3 times the number of them they had thought originally to b profitable, suiting a 50% or even slightly larger price drop. As stated b4 getting it nto the 15$- 25$ range, they could get a stranglehold on the market. But for now, they r just basically saying, "HEY GUYS, look, C PRETTY, now wait a couple months and our competitors will make one that'll b worthwhile, build and ESP $$ wise. Thx Varc for ur work, and time helping them/&us better mesh together, which only makes our already GR8 hobby, EVEN BETTER!!
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01-04-2013, 11:46 AM | #53 (permalink) |
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I'll be taking pictures of the frame soon. Hopefully they will be better than what the company provided. Stay-tuned.
I took some pictures of the new frame showing as much detail as I could. I'll be starting a new thread for the pictures under the manufacturers announcements forum section. I'll post a link here to the new thread. Hope you enjoy! https://www.helifreak.com/showthread...47#post4591247
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01-04-2013, 02:23 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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Like the photos. We should dub it "The Terminator."
My one concern (at a glance) is that it appears to rely on the stock motor can for support. With a brushless install, I don't believe you would have the benefit of that. Anxiously awaiting your flight (and crash) test report! |
01-04-2013, 02:51 PM | #55 (permalink) |
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Good job Varc. RKH should buy some of your pictures, or give you your main frame for at least a huge discount as a trade (or free!). I now see the familiar clamp-style design for the main motor, and I can see another familiar delrin insert for the tail boom. I couldn't see any of that in the web site's picture.
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01-04-2013, 05:13 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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And thanks for the comments on the pictures, I wasnt sure how well they would turn out.
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01-04-2013, 06:21 PM | #58 (permalink) |
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I could almost get past all of the aluminum if it wasn't for those 3 toothpick looking braces or whatever you want to call them. Those are going to break in a crash and when that happens as stated before the PCB is gonna crack or ruin a soldered chip in a crash. I think frames should be made more of carbon fiber /delrin than so much aluminum. Aluminum just bends to easy. Look at the bigger helis. They are mostly CF frames you don't see much aluminum at all. Come on Rakon lower this sucker to $20 so I can crash test it for you!
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01-04-2013, 07:18 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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I agree with you on those three rods, they do look like a week point.
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01-04-2013, 07:43 PM | #60 (permalink) | ||
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Hey - I noticed you didn't take any bottom pics - can it accept regular skids? It seems so, but you can clarify! Quote:
The three "sticks" that I think you're referring to are solid CF rods, probably the same diameter as my mSR X's canopy mounts (2mm) and overall, it seems to me too heavy, just like Varc mentioned, He's concerned about bogging the main, just like the rest of us wise ones here that own multiple nCP Xs. Don't despair - I bought a stock mainframe, and will catalog the critical dimensions and convert it into my 3D Mechanical Desktop 7, and then fabricate alternatives to this. I personally think those rods should be replaced with a CF gusset plates, and I can see shaving a lot of that aluminum and replacing it with much more CF . . . . and lighten up that 3.3g+ fat lady, but this will take me time, and I bet I won't have production pieces out until this fall, b/c of the way things go with my local machine shop . . . But i will digress. I cannot accuse RKH for failure on this, because no one else has a competitive product out, and it doesn't seem that any one else will jump out until late summer for an answer to their product. All I could do at a minimum is buy one, grab my dremel, lighten it up, and hand-fab CF parts, but I want others to have something better! |
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