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Old 02-24-2015, 12:02 PM   #21
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Just picked up this heli used, with some amazing Zeal energy 700mm prototypes. This was a lower headspeed flight and the second on this model after receiving it.

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Can you quantify what makes them "amazing?"

Zeal has this cult following already due to the genius marketing and the zealous team pilots.

I'd like to know what exactly makes them so amazing. I got a set of 520's for my goblin and I haven't even mounted them yet. The brass bushing on one blade was protruding about 1.5mm and I can't knock it down into the hole thanks to the glue they're using, so I have to do some file work which will inevitably screw up the root of the blade when it gets close to being flush.

Not to mention the tip of the blade was *obviously* damaged at some point and repaired with some sort of epoxy then painted over.

My one and only experience with Zeal so far leaves me VASTLY underwhelmed.
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:08 PM   #22
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Sorry to hear about your disappointment. I'm not a cult follower. Lol. Nor a zealous person. In fact I try to provide critical feedback to the companies I work with. It's in my DNA as an engineer. A lot more feedback has been made to further improve these blades. The good news is they are very reactive and determined to make a great blade. So your negative feedback is great. Exactly what's needed to help make a better product and brand.

I just liked the sound and speed of these particular blades on this particular model. But still trying them on other models to make sure everyone hopefully has a similar positive experience. They have very different characteristics on different models so it's something that needs some study.

I will say the finish on the energy blades has been very good on the samples I've seen.

Keep the honest and blunt feedback coming. It's hard to get constructive criticism, but it's exactly what a company needs to improve things.

I would return that set to the place of purchase if you are not satisfied.
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:17 PM   #23
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I got them from Lynx, half way around the world. Not worth sending them back.

I didn't really have any negative feedback other than the terrible quality of my example.

I did however want some quantifiable reasons that everyone seems to love these blades. My skepticism stems from the fact that it all seems to be very subjective "these fly great!" anecdotes that really don't provide any information.

Do they have more pop? More lift? Quieter? Louder? More flight time? Less flight time? You get the idea.

Those are the kinds of things I've been hoping to see from people, although it seems rare.
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Old 02-24-2015, 01:29 PM   #24
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I got them from Lynx, half way around the world. Not worth sending them back.

I didn't really have any negative feedback other than the terrible quality of my example.

I did however want some quantifiable reasons that everyone seems to love these blades. My skepticism stems from the fact that it all seems to be very subjective "these fly great!" anecdotes that really don't provide any information.

Do they have more pop? More lift? Quieter? Louder? More flight time? Less flight time? You get the idea.

Those are the kinds of things I've been hoping to see from people, although it seems rare.
For the standard 700mm, I find them extremely "fun" in that the cyclic is fast. They are loud. The pop and lock effect is very pronounced and has a firm presence. For my style I like a loud fast blade. I tend to do a lot of high energy stuff, overspeeding etc. So it's a great match for me.

Auto-rotation performance is good/average.

They have a safety wire. I won't fly a blade without one.

High speed flight is average. Some tendency to balloon on some models as it's an aggressive 3D blade.

Efficiency is about average. I didn't end up making any flight time adjustments in my case.

A negative is possible flutter in the presence of any control system slop. Some models show it, some don't. This is an area of improvement.

Some models will show some wobbles in hard tic tocs. This is an area of improvement.

Also as you mentioned, there can be cases of some cosmetic flaws. Clearly something I'm seeing improvement with on the latest energy blades. Also later lots of the old style are vastly improving from what I've seen.

So there is my best shot at total honest feedback. What has me on board is the fact that they are customer driven and working to improve every version of the blade they release. This is extremely healthy for a company to be reactive to what customers want. I think the leadership is being very transparent and addressing customer concerns the best they can. Feedback like yours is important as it should be.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:20 PM   #25
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For the standard 700mm, I find them extremely "fun" in that the cyclic is fast. They are loud. The pop and lock effect is very pronounced and has a firm presence. For my style I like a loud fast blade. I tend to do a lot of high energy stuff, overspeeding etc. So it's a great match for me.

Auto-rotation performance is good/average.

They have a safety wire. I won't fly a blade without one.

High speed flight is average. Some tendency to balloon on some models as it's an aggressive 3D blade.

Efficiency is about average. I didn't end up making any flight time adjustments in my case.

A negative is possible flutter in the presence of any control system slop. Some models show it, some don't. This is an area of improvement.

Some models will show some wobbles in hard tic tocs. This is an area of improvement.

Also as you mentioned, there can be cases of some cosmetic flaws. Clearly something I'm seeing improvement with on the latest energy blades. Also later lots of the old style are vastly improving from what I've seen.

So there is my best shot at total honest feedback. What has me on board is the fact that they are customer driven and working to improve every version of the blade they release. This is extremely healthy for a company to be reactive to what customers want. I think the leadership is being very transparent and addressing customer concerns the best they can. Feedback like yours is important as it should be.

That's great, thank you very much for the honest feedback.

Makes me excited to try them, because I also like a fast and loud blade. The zeals seems stiff, which would lead me to believe they'd excel in pop and lock type stuff.

I'll mount them up this weekend and see how it goes! Thanks again.


And yes I agree, zeal seems to be very customer centric and that's a great thing.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:52 PM   #26
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Very well said OTS.

Also, dropping main rotor gain down a little helped control the high speed and super aggressive combined cyclic/collective moves.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:58 PM   #27
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Well I am a Zeal addict


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Old 02-25-2015, 02:08 AM   #28
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I got them from Lynx, half way around the world. Not worth sending them back.
Just email Zeal blade and send them some photos showing that problem, they will check and may let one of their dealers in the state send you a new set if yours is defective.
Even Apple still has some faulty products that leaked out to the market.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:44 PM   #29
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New color for the snow !
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Goblin and Zeal, a great combination!
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Old 04-03-2015, 12:46 AM   #32
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Old 04-21-2015, 12:44 AM   #33
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Zeal 210mm on my trex 250






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Maiden with the energy 520mm and 80mm tails


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Grittner that looks awesome
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Outstanding canopy Grittner!
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