Autorotation Spool up?

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by heathy

Hi sloppy.

Can you tell me what your prog card settings are?

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Heli slow/ middle etc
Plane fast?

Again, not 100% sure, but I think Plane Fast.. You select Heli-Middle three times, then go up to set Governor Off, then go back and press Plane Fast. What's actually being set to the ESC, I don't know.

Originally Posted by heathy

Also start up speed. 2%?

I've tried 2% and 4%.

[heathy]

That's wrong.

Select heli middle once. Then back up to freewheel on once, then gov off x 3 now back down to plane fast once. You'll hear the confirmation tone.

Now set Pwm and start up speed 2%.

Before you do any of that you should have gone full power no blades! And the yellow led on yge should go out. If not increase throttle end point till it does.

Now set low and high throttle in yge by plugging in flight packs with 100% throttle. Wait for tones. Pull stick down, more tones unplug flight pack!

And of course before any of that set high and low throttle in skookum set up.


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[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by heathy

That's wrong.

Select heli middle once. Then back up to freewheel on once, then gov off x 3 now back down to plane fast once. You'll hear the confirmation tone.

Sorry, that's what I meant. 3 presses of gov. off and then plane fast. I definitely get the confirmation tone, and the external governor definitely works great.

Originally Posted by heathy

Now set Pwm and start up speed 2%.

Before you do any of that you should have gone full power no blades! And the yellow led on yge should go out. If not increase throttle end point till it does.

Now set low and high throttle in yge by plugging in flight packs with 100% throttle. Wait for tones. Pull stick down, more tones unplug flight pack!

And of course before any of that set high and low throttle in skookum set up.


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I've also have done the process to set the endpoints (full throttle powerup, etc. both on the ESC and in the Skookum setup) several dozen times just to be sure. That doesn't seem to help any either. The DataViewer tool of the graphs show that everything, headspeed, throttle input, etc., all are working flawlessly.

Again, the Skookum governor works perfectly. I get exactly the headspeeds I defined for each flight mode every flight and it's rock solid throughout the flight; so I know the ESC is setup correctly. It's just the auto-bailout spoolup thats wonky.

[omerco]

As far as i know - auto-rotation bailout does not play between YGE and SK for the same reason it doesn't with castle:

The ESC needs to see some positive throttle in order not to arm the SS again. this is impossible to do with SK, for now.

It doesn't work with my YEP 120HV.

It does work with my Scorpion 160HV

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by omerco

As far as i know - auto-rotation bailout does not play between YGE and SK for the same reason it doesn't with castle:

The ESC needs to see some positive throttle in order not to arm the SS again. this is impossible to do with SK, for now.

It doesn't work with my YEP 120HV.

It does work with my Scorpion 160HV

That's what I recall from the previous incarnation of this thread, but I just had a hard time believing such a HUGE segment of the market just had to live without this pretty critical feature.

It's sorta holding up my progress a bit as I'm deep into complex inverted/tic-toc/piro-flipping auto's and trying/learning them in real life without an auto-bailout is, well.. stupid....


So what ESCs DO play nicely? (I've also asked this in another thread before and never got a good answer..)

[omerco]

All ESC's with SS disabled. on YGE set to airplane. i did that on my yep and the kick at startup was the same as with SS.

Castle - if you choose multirotor mode.

Scorpion - plays. at least the 160.

[omerco]

Originally Posted by heathy

That's wrong.
Before you do any of that you should have gone full power no blades! And the yellow led on yge should go out. If not increase throttle end point till it does.

Now set low and high throttle in yge by plugging in flight packs with 100% throttle. Wait for tones. Pull stick down, more tones unplug flight pack!

And of course before any of that set high and low throttle in skookum set up.


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Heathy

I think you got it the other way around:

First thing you should do is set the high and low esc points by powering the ESC with full throttle. this also wipes the setting in the ESC!

Only then do the 100% spool until the led is off, and reprogram the ESC. you could program and then do 100% it makes no diff.

If you do it the way you wrote it you will not have exactly 100% (light off point).

At least that is how it is on the yep.

[Jamesppp]

Are you supposed to set up or program your ESC before you set the high and low throttle in the SK setup software?

The SK throttle set up vid doesn't show a battery packed hooked up on the heli at all and he doesn't mention it

I assume there is a flight pack connected because he disconnects 2 of the 3 motor wires

What confuses me is he says to put the Tx in Idle Up 2 to get 100% throttle but if the ESC is programmed then Idle 2 is likely not or maybe not 100%

The kontronic ESC is set at a linear 0---100 for programming in Normal mode so I used throttle hold for IDLE THROTTLE and full stick for MAX throttle and kept the Tx in Normal mode...will this work...and does the f;light pack need to be plugged up?

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by omerco

All ESC's with SS disabled. on YGE set to airplane.

This is the part that confuses me. It IS set to airplane in the final step when you select Airplane Fast.

[omerco]

You only need to finish setting the high low for the ESC + the travel adjust at 100% throttle exactly to the point where the light goes off.

you don't need a battery to set HIGH LOW in SK - notice you are confusing between 2 different procedures - teaching the ESC your throttle travel and SK HIGH LOW setting.

After that it doesn't meter if you program first and set SK later or the other way.

BTW - if you are using TH for low SK point you need to have it on 0 throttle and not -10

[omerco]

Originally Posted by sl4ppy

This is the part that confuses me. It IS set to airplane in the final step when you select Airplane Fast.

that final step doesn't set the SS - it sets the throttle response.

This is the special procedure for setting Ext Gov mode on YGE: on the first one you set the SS speed, then GOV OFF 3 times tells it you will set throttle response next and then plane fast (response)

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by omerco

that final step doesn't set the SS - it sets the throttle response.

This is the special procedure for setting Ext Gov mode on YGE: on the first one you set the SS speed, then GOV OFF 3 times tells it you will set throttle response next and then plane fast (response)

Okies, I'll give that a whirl tonight. Thx!

[heathy]

Lol, yeah wrote that while on the move on phone,

For Kontronik esc's you have a linear throttle curve then in the SK software set low throttle at bottom stick, then high throttle at high stick. Then onto mode 1-4 etc.

For YGE ( no nothing of yep ) you again set the SK low and high first before anything else, this is what's talking to your esc.

Then, while still linear and not in external gov mode you plug flight packs in while at 100% throttle. Wait for tones, then lower to bottom 0% throttle.
Now you'll hear more tones, unplug the packs now.

Now, without blades run the heli up on the bench looking at the yellow led and with trav adjust menu open, at full speed the led should go out, if not increase end points till it does

Then, go through the prog card set up ( leave stop and full speed as you've done this with the sticks )

Cool?

[heathy]

You could try heli fast plane fast.

Ps, wasn't aware the yep even supported ext gov mode?

[omerco]

Originally Posted by heathy

Lol, yeah wrote that while on the move on phone,

For Kontronik esc's you have a linear throttle curve then in the SK software set low throttle at bottom stick, then high throttle at high stick. Then onto mode 1-4 etc.

For YGE ( no nothing of yep ) you again set the SK low and high first before anything else, this is what's talking to your esc.

Then, while still linear and not in external gov mode you plug flight packs in while at 100% throttle. Wait for tones, then lower to bottom 0% throttle.
Now you'll hear more tones, unplug the packs now.

Now, without blades run the heli up on the bench looking at the yellow led and with trav adjust menu open, at full speed the led should go out, if not increase end points till it does

Then, go through the prog card set up ( leave stop and full speed as you've done this with the sticks )

Cool?

AND THEN - set low and high again in SK and put gov back on in SK.

[omerco]

Originally Posted by heathy

You could try heli fast plane fast.

Ps, wasn't aware the yep even supported ext gov mode?

supports - apart for the ability to work with internal RPM sensor.

the rest is exactly the same

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by heathy

You could try heli fast plane fast.

Ps, wasn't aware the yep even supported ext gov mode?

Ok, tried everything.

Heli Fast & Plane Fast was marginally better but still not really useable, ultimately. If the motor can stops spinning during an auto, which is pretty much every time, the spool-up speed is waaaaaaay too slow. If you try to bail out of the auto in the first 2-4 seconds, it spools up faster. More than 4-5s, forget it.. you're going to be on the ground before the blades come up to speed again..

I sure wish we could get some confirmation that this is going to be addressed in the next update and that said update is relatively soon. Still a bit frustrated that this pretty basic feature only really works with Scorpion ESC's; one of the minority players in the market....

[omerco]

You didn't try to cancel the SS yet..
Just put the ESC in airplane mode not heli. You choose plane fast without the rest of the procedure and then all is handled by the gyro SS included

[sl4ppy]

Originally Posted by omerco

You didn't try to cancel the SS yet..
Just put the ESC in airplane mode not heli. You choose plane fast without the rest of the procedure and then all is handled by the gyro SS included

Ok, so select Plane Fast instead of Heli Fast, but then don't choose Governor Off 3 times and then Plane Fast again?
Doesn't that disable the use of the governor?

[omerco]

Yes that is how you do it - you make the ESC "stupid" - only fast throttle response.

No it doesn't disable the use of the governor - that one is in the gyro.

The procedure described before is for getting the ESC to do SS at the beginning and than give you fast throttle response. putting it on PLANE FAST gives the same without the SS.