Brushless gimbals

[hareedy]

Hey guys
I am currently on the market for a high end 3 axis gimbal that I can use on my Rex 800 and possibly the octocopter in the very near future but my worst fear that some of the big boys will come up with a brushless gimbal that can handle a dslr or even an epic
So anyone knows if something is cooking and gonna come out soon ?

[Goldenhour]

You are talking about making and marketing the gimbal?
Or want to avoid buyers remorse.

On another note.....
Theft of intellectual property costs the honest men of the world 10's of billions a year. Russia and China are the leaders in stealing. CIA says its the free worlds number one threat to national security.
Look at PS1 3 axis gimbal. Then look at Aligns' new 3 axis gimbal.

[Trnquill]

Something WILL come out, but the schedule is unknown. During this spring I guess. So, if you need the gimbal now, don't wait but buy something else. If you need it this summer or autumn, then wait.

I'm working on GH2-sized brushless gimbal at the moment. I should get it up and running this weekend. Then I'll see if it works or not. Might turn out either way!

[R_Lefebvre]

Originally Posted by Goldenhour

You are talking about making and marketing the gimbal?
Or want to avoid buyers remorse.

On another note.....
Theft of intellectual property costs the honest men of the world 10's of billions a year. Russia and China are the leaders in stealing. CIA says its the free worlds number one threat to national security.
Look at PS1 3 axis gimbal. Then look at Aligns' new 3 axis gimbal.

As much as I dislike the Align gimbal system, I don't think it's fair to say that they "stole" anything. The design is very similar, but is not a carbon copy, and they have made changes, some of them significant.

Personally, I think the market is gimbals is about to get blown wide open. There are a number of excellent open source brushless gimbal systems just coming to market now. I honestly don't know how the old players will remain in business. They better come up with something pretty good, and something that actually works very well and is very easy to use.

Similar to the multi-rotor frame market. With things like the excellent Tarot Ironman Octocopter kit selling for $400, I honestly don't know how Cinestar et.al. will maintain their market position.

You can't make a product that is constructed using nothing more than simple CNC machining, basement construction techniques, or rapid prototyping technology, and remain stagnant for 1 year, 2 years, 5 years... and expect that nobody is going to build something else which looks similar to yours, for a lot less money.

[Brad_M]

Do you actually believe that the "old players" are just sitting on their hands and collecting cash for 3 year old designs and doing nothing to further themselves or their IP?

[FSAMedia]

On a moral level I disagree....I think the align gimbal is nothing more than a carbon (get it) copy with a different and less effective mounting solution. On a reality level, I agree, there will always be someone who can or is willing to do it cheaper.

I'm working on a brushless gimbal as we speak. It's all carbon and aluminum and designed around the NEX5 and the alexmos BL controler, should be flying in a couple of weeks or so.

I'm sure DJ and the other gimbal boys have products in the works. Like most of us, by nature they just cant stop tinkering! I think Cinestar's biggest contribution in the future will be innovative electronics such as large brushless gimbal controlers, flight controlers, and the already game changing radian.

Keep on keeping on....can't wait to see whats next!

[R_Lefebvre]

Brad, I can only comment on what I can see. If other companies have good things in the works, then I'll be happy to see them. So far, what I see in the market is that the only people with brushless offerings are DJI, and then a bunch of open source projects. How long has PH been teasing the Hero? And the only gimbal on the market that I would spend money on, is the Zenmuse, but then I can't afford that. I haven't seen anything else for sale at a lower price that I'd be interested in buying. So I just build my own.

What game is the Radian changing? It seems to be a capable controller, but there are several on the market.

[vadmcse]

this is for DSLR

Brushless DSLR gimbal from GotHeliRC.com (0 min 25 sec)

[hareedy]

@ golden hour,
All I am saying is that I want to buy a 3 axis gimbal and that I don't want to make the purchase in a week or 2 than I find out that there is a brushless gimbal for the dslrs and my fs 700 in a few month
About align yes they stole djs design but this thread is not about align or a Chinese manufacturer stealing someone's design
I have been always a loyal customer to ps1 cause simply there stuff just works with a minimal to non hassle not to mention dj is always supporting his products
I am sure dj is cooking something that's worth waiting for

[gauchovolador]

We converted our servo driven multicopter camera gimbals into direct drive brushless (like the one in the picture, actual prototype). It has been flying for two weeks now with excellent results with cameras+lenses up to 900grs.
Now direct drive gimbals require perfect camera cg positioning in regards to the Tilt, Roll and Pan axis, gimbal construction must provide that flexibility in order to operate correctly along with much more precise construction without sloppiness, rigidity and zero iterations between axles. Tight/heavy cables interfere with the performance of the mount too so this must be taken into consideration, this is specially a concern when using HDMI connections where cables are thicker and rigid.
Without a doubt this technology will persist over traditional servos, we are testing even bigger motors for heavier set ups.

[MaSt0RaS]

just recieve my controllers

[SFACV]

Originally Posted by MaSt0RaS

just recieve my controllers

Where did you get those from?

[R_Lefebvre]

This is what I'm getting at about the established players in the market being outclassed. It is not them that is bringing us this performance, at under $500. Look at this. Just look at it. AMAZING! The dynamic flying that will be possible with these systems is incredible.

[SFACV]

Ok Rob,

What system is that?

[MaSt0RaS]

www.viacopter.eu or flyduino.net

These are controllers for brushless motors..!

[R_Lefebvre]

I'm not exactly sure which controller that is. I'd be sort of following this stuff over the past year. But there are several of them coming to market in parallel, and they are all very similar. I can't keep track of what is what. I'm planning on just making a purchase next month so I'll have to figure it out.

I think the Zenmuse is still better than these. But other than that... the market for gimbals has changed overnight, and it's all due to Alex Mos and open source.

[SFACV]

I agree that the Zenmuse is the one to have, but they don't make it for a full frame DSLR camera, and that is my next purchase. Gonna have to get a mount that will handle it. From what I see the future is in direct drive brushless motor setups. It's just a matter of one sized properly and affordable that works well.

[Brad_M]

Thats $500 and it can carry 8-10 lbs of camera ?

[R_Lefebvre]

No, it's about $250-300, and it carries a half-pound camera. The same design will scale up well to a reasonable weight of camera. But something that big will probably be a challenge.

[makiedog]

Very impressive footage indeed. How come none of the upcoming brushless gimbals offer a third pan axis? Can the Alex Moss controller accommodate the 3ed axis?