Blade CP Pro - Tail motor compatibility

[vigor1]

Will the tail motor that is available from Xheli.com for the Esky Honeybee CP2 work with the Blade CP Pro? The specs seem to be identical, but these are a little cheaper.

Also, how difficult is it to replace the tail motor? I have never soldered anything before. Thanks

[helidude3]

yes, you can use them and no, it is not very hard to replace the tail motor. If you have any basic soldering skills, you will be able to change it out.

[zen]

Originally Posted by vigor1

Will the tail motor that is available from Xheli.com for the Esky Honeybee CP2 work with the Blade CP Pro? The specs seem to be identical, but these are a little cheaper.

Also, how difficult is it to replace the tail motor? I have never soldered anything before. Thanks

As Helidude sez, you can use other tail motors than E-flite. Now, I don't want to flood you with concepts to complicate your life. But as you may know a single N30 brushed motor is a tad weak for the BCPP. (I say this as a dedicated Blade pilot for 2 years.) Thus you may want to consider other options to give you adequate (or better) tail control. You can use two small brushed tail motors in tandem. Or you can use one large brushed motor. Or you can install a brushless tail motor, this last being the Cadillac of motor driven tail control. Links on this page give some idea of what is involved:

http://summer.phpwebhosting.com/~hea...dels/bcpp.html

As far as soldering goes, a lot of us feel it is an essential RC flight skill. Soldering is not particularly hard but it helps a lot if you understand what you are doing and practice a little. Thus it could be helpful to put a few bits of wire together to practice stripping insulation, tinning wire with flux and solder, then using just enough heat to melt solder into the joint without burning up more insulation. This could seem like over-kill for the simple task of changing your tail motor, but in truth taking a bit of time to learn to solder well stands you in good stead for the rest of the time you fly RC.

[WickedDragon]

Hey Vigor...

Zen dished up the skinny on this one...... wheteher they smoke or you ding then and the bushings pop out.... you're going to go thru tail motors. I gone down the road, replace stock, replace upgraded, dual, ducted fan, DD, BLDD......

Do yourself a big, big favor...... get a direct drive tail setup. You can get into a brushed motor, etc. for less than $20 (that's only 2 tail motors). Whether you choose the E-flite CPP2 parts or the GWS parts...... this will save you soooooo much grief and aggrevation and give you respectable tail authority, especially with the setup on the rest of the heli.

I think several of us can point you to the parts....let us know.

[WickedDragon]

GWS Parts...

Here's the GWS Tail Fin Mount....
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHXK4&P=7

and the tail rotor and adapter......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHE2&P=7

and a 12mm heat sink......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHN5&P=7

and motor.......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHF7&P=7

Works with the stock 3in1.

As far as replacing..... soldering isn't hard, but can be tricky on these motors. Use an eraser to clean the connections before soldering.

Check the CPP2 parts listing for the E-flite parts.

[vigor1]

Thanks for the suggestions. I already bought 2 N30-C motors to use when my current motor burns out. Should I use these one at a time or in tandem? I like the DD option, so will probably consider that afterwards.

[WickedDragon]

The order in the list is how I tried them and improvement (except the ducted fan.....we're just not going to go there). The dual tail is assuredly better that the single and I flew it for quite a while.

There is a misnomer about dual tails. It is NOT a redundant setup. Both motors need to work for the tail to work. The dual motor tail only splits the load between 2 motors. If one of the motors fail, the tail goes away..... far, far away and chances are you trash the remaining motor with continued attempts to fly. But it is a significant improvement for tail authority!

[helidude3]

dd is much better though.

[WickedDragon]

Originally Posted by helidude3

dd is much better though.

Yes. Yes it is!

[Epoweredrc]

What size tail blade is everyone using? my fathers got a pile of props i need know a size. got lots GWS motors to wonder if any them the right onw I got #'s now to match.

thanks

[Epoweredrc]

I dont see how yall mount props to the gws motors or even the feagios those shafts are tiny tiny and barly long enough for a pinion gear.

whats the driffrence between the driffrent gws motors? KV? what KV do you need?

[helidude3]

gws are brushed so to my knoledge there is no kv on brushed motors. Also the prop should be the one with the adapter. I think it is the 4030 or the 3020 prop. if you still can't tell it would be the longer one. You can use the one w/o the adapter , but does not work well and is hard to install.

[WickedDragon]

I'm using the GWS adapter. No probs.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by helidude3

gws are brushed so to my knoledge there is no kv on brushed motors. Also the prop should be the one with the adapter. I think it is the 4030 or the 3020 prop. if you still can't tell it would be the longer one. You can use the one w/o the adapter , but does not work well and is hard to install.

well you cant just say a GWS motor there driffrent ones right, otherwise why have driffrent Numbers?

when you go to GWS motor do you have to move the battery foward? i picked up one a GWS motor and it feels heavy, this one is longer then the stock motor are the ones everyone using longer and heavier?

Again what size prop? same as the stock? stock seems to be 6 inch.

[WickedDragon]

This is the prop.....

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHE2&P=7

This is the motor...

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHF7&P=7

Yes it's longer and a bit heavier.

Here's the heat sink......

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHN5&P=7

heavier yet.......

Do HeliDude3's battery tray mod. Move the battery plate forward of the front struts to compensate for the added tail weight. You can move the Rx & 3in1 forward a touch too.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by WickedDragon

This is the prop.....

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHE2&P=7

This is the motor...

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHF7&P=7

Yes it's longer and a bit heavier.

Here's the heat sink......

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHN5&P=7

heavier yet.......

Do HeliDude3's battery tray mod. Move the battery plate forward of the front struts to compensate for the added tail weight. You can move the Rx & 3in1 forward a touch too.

Got link to his battery tray mod? father is installing a gws motor in a mount and going to be tail heavy most likley.

Edit I ment battery not servo... grr Cant think and type lol.

[klab233]

Originally Posted by WickedDragon

GWS Parts...

Here's the GWS Tail Fin Mount....
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHXK4&P=7

and the tail rotor and adapter......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHE2&P=7

and a 12mm heat sink......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHN5&P=7

and motor.......
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHF7&P=7

Works with the stock 3in1.

As far as replacing..... soldering isn't hard, but can be tricky on these motors. Use an eraser to clean the connections before soldering.

Check the CPP2 parts listing for the E-flite parts.

the eflite parts arent avalible yet, that i have found, as for the gws tail parts, is there any mod that have to take place to get it to work with the stock 3in1 or is it pretty straight forward?

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by klab233

the eflite parts arent avalible yet, that i have found, as for the gws tail parts, is there any mod that have to take place to get it to work with the stock 3in1 or is it pretty straight forward?

replacing a motor thats brused as stock just plug and play. if run backwards turn the leads around.

read my tail fix mod using a gws /mpi gearbox and a gws motor works so much better then stock... I would guess works almost or as well as DD does but never flown a DD to know.

my father also put a servo lead conector on the leads for tail motor so you dont have to cut wires everime you change out a motor so simply now.