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04-21-2014, 12:17 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Wizard and Style
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Anyone has the info of what values the wizards heli and style set? Would help. I know there was table in an old thread for that but it's been closed. Thanks |
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04-21-2014, 12:29 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Sorry about that old thread, I closed it due to so many changes having been made, especially with V3, that it was no longer accurate.
When you make a selection in the Heli Wizard, this will set your Rotor Gain and D Elevator (Elevator Debounce). You can still make adjustments to those parameters if you need to, as they are just a starting point. For the Style Wizard, this will set your Agility, Expo, Pirouetting Rate, Style, and maybe a couple other parameters to have the heli fly as you would expect for the Style you chose. Again, you can adjust the parameters from there to get things where you like. For instance, I first selected the BertK style, but found that it was too responsive. I then selected 3D and found it more to my liking. But since then, I've gone back to the BertK style but have toned it down just a bit, this way it's somewhere between 3D and BertK styles. I decreased Agility by 5, increased Style by 5, decreased rudder Expo to 35, decreased pirouetting rate to 550*. I'm super tired so this may not be 100% accurate, but it gives you an idea of what's going on. Hope it helps.
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04-21-2014, 12:38 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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This is from the version just prior to V3:
__________________________________________________ __________ Heli Wizard*: This menu initialises a number of configuration parameters based on the option that best describes your helicopter. The preset value should be seen as a starting point and in some cases further tuning may be required. Style Wizard*: This menu configures certain parameters of the Vortex based on your flying style selection. Each flying mode can be configured separately. Based on your selection this wizard modifies Cyclic Rate, Cyclic Expo, Style, Paddle Resp, Agility, Rudd Sens and Rudd Expo. * The “Wizards” are not configuration parameters. Your exact wizard selection is not stored; instead a number of other configuration parameters are adjusted to achieve a certain task. You may imagine the wizard similar to asking a friend “Can you configure my Vortex for 3D?”
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04-21-2014, 08:04 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Bob i get those, of course..
I was just wondering if someone had exact info on what params to what value.. The table you had in the past was exactly informative. I have nothing about saving time with automating some values as long as I don't spend more time chasing those settings afterwards.. Plus I had 35 expo on tail out of the wizard so was wondering it that was real.. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
04-22-2014, 04:17 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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is there something you have to do for the style to take affect? I swear I put it on BertK and yet my mostro doesn't seem to be very agile with those settings. Every time I go to the style wizard it always is on the first setting. Is that okay? Like I said I swear I entered the Bertk setting.
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04-22-2014, 06:37 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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04-22-2014, 07:01 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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frito,
If you go into the Style Wizard and select any of the styles, they take effect as soon as you exit the Wizard. If you chose the BertK option, your bird should be VERY quick and agile. I tried the BertK setting my first flight on v3 but had to change it to 3D for the second flight, as the bird was too quick. I had been flying on the Pro3D preset on v2. The BertK preset is quicker than the old Pro3D. As of the other day, I'm about halfway between 3D and BertK.
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All those wizards are fine as long as you know what values those set. Poeple mention they're a starting point, which is true for the first setup, but then once you're finetuning they could be just like a hint indication: " that's what it was in BertIk Mode" etc. I ended up touching many values and I can't just remember the starting points for all of them.. So that's why I'd like to see a chart of those values, so when I'm tuning something I have the info of what's default value in different profiles. Last edited by Bob O; 04-23-2014 at 11:57 AM.. Reason: fixed quote tag |
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04-23-2014, 11:51 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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To answer your question about how the wizard takes effect, and why it is always on the first entry when you return to that menu, it is because when you choose BertK, for arguments sake, all it does is configure a whole bunch of parameters, in line with how BertK chose to set his. If, after having changed only a single parameter to something other than what BertK configured, it is no longer the BertK setting. Bob, for example, has now tried BertK settings again, and has tuned it down a little from there, I imagine by lowering the agility slightly, etc. As soon as he did that it is no longer BertK, and if he went to BertK again, it would reconfigure the change he had made to agility, putting it back to BertK's choices. As per the way it is decscribed by Angelos, choosing one of these styles is like asking a friend to configure your Vortex to be suitable for say 3D flight, or mental, like BertK. After you change something, it is no longer how your friend, the wizard, had configured it, because the wizard can't know if you changed something or not, other than to know that this is very likely. On this basis it always has to always start out without showing you your previous choice. If it didn't, it would be deceptive, unless it did monitor them all, and as soon as you changed something it simply said 'Custom' in there, but it doesn't work like that. Next, as to why your heli is slow on BertK settings, then you need to look elsewhere, as everyone else thinks it is fast. If you have appropriate pitch available, and the travel ratios for geometry were good, then it should perform as expected, if your headspeed is adequate. I have flown some truly frighteningly agile helis in the past, and the BertK setting on my 550 is very quick, and close to some of those. One of them was my 450, with the rates completely maxed out, experimentally, using my MicroBeast, and running a 4000 rpm headspeed, just for fun, and it was crazy, so I know what a quick heli feels like. I mention this just for context. This having been said, I've now settled on the next one down, as I didn't like it on all BertK settings, too fast, and I am now considering lowering the agility a little, even on that one, as I am trying to be smoother, slower and more controlled in general in the way I do my 3D. I'm not great with the numbers on the Vortex yet, but if you post up what you set for your limits, and for what you got during the aileron and elevator 8 degrees step, there are others, Bob, etc, that I think will be able to get a clue from those numbers. Cheers Sutty
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04-23-2014, 12:12 PM | #10 (permalink) | |
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Due to the increased number of setup options with V3 (3 different head types, numerous blades size options), not counting the Style Wizard or added flight tuning parameters, going through every possible combination would be approaching a monumental task. That is why I haven't tried to build a chart for V3. It can be done, someone with the time might have to step up and do it. I simply don't have the time to do it. Good post, Sutty.
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04-23-2014, 04:18 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I get it bob,really no pressure, it's insane manual work.. Was not really tasking you for it
Maybe someone has the info though, since someone must have at least programmed all those value inside the unit, and also hopefully tested all those combinations. All the mystery around this "wizard" is hard to understand. Doesn't make it easier imo. If the info is available (in the program) why not make it read also in the manual for later reference?? Imo those suggested values would read clearly even in the manual, as indications for the fine tuning each parameters later on.. As per stutty's suggestion that the my and someone else problem is in the setup, that doesn't hold. Heli is perfect flu perfect before and flies perfect now after changing several parameters under rotor and tail menu only. So take it back man. (and I can publish all the settings you want if you're curious) Maybe the fact is that there just are differences? or then some combinations just don't cut it for some machines?? This far I can't explain and probably you neither. Glad you super cool 450 works for you. "Most poeple" might not need it, good for them. Does that make it a bad idea? If it serves someone? But well those are just questions to get some info, not a poll of opinion if I entitle to get the info or not.. So some of the comments here are IMO disturbing original purpose of the thread. Eventually those questions echo in a positive way and we make the product better. Or then not... |
04-23-2014, 05:11 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Take what back? I have absolutely no idea what you are getting at. I never said your heli had an issue, now, before or ever. You have totally misread the intent of my post. Granted, it was aimed at someone else, who you could argue is derailing your thread, but we're all here finding out together, aren't we. Still, if you don't want me to answer someone elses question in your thread, then I won't. Not entirely clear where I suggested you had an issue with your set-up, as I clearly addressed my response to frito, who does have an issue, he said so, and I only mentioned the 450, to frito, just to try and explain that I had experience of what a quick heli is like, because that was really quick. However, as I said, if you don't want me derailing your thread, no problem, I'll take it back, whatever it was, with knobs on, and butt out from answering other peoples questions.
As for, 'your post' about does anyone have a list, like Bob's original, then I guess the answer to that must be no, not at the moment. Is it a good idea, probably yes, and why can't we have it, no idea, perhaps because if it were printed, it would prevent easy update of all that printed material, should there be a change. Will we be able to see all those values soon in the software, perhaps so, but if you want a paper listing of them sooner, perhaps you would make one, and help us all out.
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04-23-2014, 11:06 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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- BertIk wizard didn't do it for my heli, the reasons behind that are mysterious since it works for others. Different issue different thread. Pm me if you need extra info to work it out.
- Gathering all the details manually doesn't sound like a good idea especially since I don't know if those are values from a table of those are calculated by an AI. - Noone clearly has posted the info originaly asked, so maybe it's just not inline with the product. - Regarding the hints after initial setup, that's just a suggestion, maybe a bad one. After all there is already the friendly face in some of the menus giving some hints already when fine tuning.. |
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