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aramsdell · 02-09-2007, 05:09 PM

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aramsdell

I bought the ARF Swift 16 with the Hacker A30-8XL & FP 3700 4S. It flies well enough to loop roll and flip a little but has no punch and the motor gets hot in 25 degree weather.
I just installed and test-flew with the 600+ motor for 3 minutes just before dark. Temp. 15 degrees. Motor came back at about 80-85 degrees, ESC cold and battery barely luke warm on outside(due to cold)
The bat. got a little warmer after setting inside for a couple of min. but only to slightly warm temp.
I moved the 11T stock pinion to the 600+ from the A30 as they have similar KV ratings.The difference is astouding. This bird punches out as fast or faster than any TREX I've built. The extra couple of ounces of motor is more than made up for by what seems to be almost double the power.
Tom. (Sat.) I am going to give it a good test or two and tach the hover and get hover current reading. I'll need to change my curves too as this motor pulls stronger and liftoff is closer to middle stick. I never got into Idle-up as it was windy and getting dark and very cold and I was/am still scared.

Unless all you'll do is FFF, and no punch outs and stunts, you should spend a couple extra $ and start with the 600+.

I can't wait for tomorrow.
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ddheli · 02-10-2007, 12:44 AM

good luck! and if to add 6lipo.... :wink:

stevehonn · 02-10-2007, 01:11 PM

I've got the older 600 motor in my Swift which is nice but it does run a little hot. I've recently finished a Raptor E550 and fitted a 600+, it has plenty of power on a 6S setup and runs amazingly cool, this is a heli that weighs 3480g/122.75oz, I wish I had a spare for my Swift :wink:

aramsdell · 02-25-2007, 08:27 PM

Weighed my Swift at the local corner store . My elctronic postal scale only goes to 5 lbs. My Swift only goes to 5.51 lbs with the 600+,55/70esc,FP4S-3700 and 4 cell 2500 NiMh flight pack. Much better performance and same flight times as the Hacker!

Chris DeSain · 02-28-2007, 07:49 PM

Yes the 600 plus is a fantastic motor ! I have been flying one for over a year. I was the test "sucker" for the original OEM that was then Mfg. for Century.
It works fantastic for up to 600 MM blades and 6S with 9t is the most common set up, and yes it has been flown up to 10S Yowsa!

For the price the Efficiency is also real good. There are better efficiency motors but nothing in that price range. It also has power a plenty !

Selecting this motor instead of playing the I hope it works game with other power plants is a definite safe bet.

RAV50 · 03-01-2007, 08:28 PM

Chris,

I could not have said it better myself.

mnuetzmann · 03-14-2007, 09:04 AM

ok.... So If I run a 10S on 600+ in the Swift will Century stand behind it? The doc with the motor said only to run it with 6S. I am using the Swift for AP and using 600mm blades and a 10S setup would really help for lifting power.

Mark

Chris DeSain · 03-14-2007, 12:21 PM

No, 10S with load would strip a main gear for one sooner or later. The head speed with the 1100 KV is also way above spec for the stock head.

mnuetzmann · 03-14-2007, 03:27 PM

ok. Then what about running a 6S1P pack the 600+ and 600mm blades? I am interested in lift but wonder what the load on the ESC/motor would be for this. I would probably be trying to get a HS of around 1850-1900 and adjust pitch to get the lift I need.

Mark

Chris DeSain · 03-14-2007, 05:30 PM

With the 6S pack 1850 to 1900 is not possible with out lowering the speedo power
The motor is 1100KV so at 100% and the smallest pinion a 9T you are over 2000 head speed anything lower than 90% would heat the speedo right up in gov mode and the efficiency would also suffer.
That set up will spin 600S like a top.

You really need to look at a lower KV motor that still is rated with simmilar watts.

02-09-2007, 05:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
aramsdell Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2006	Start with the 600+ Message aramsdell I bought the ARF Swift 16 with the Hacker A30-8XL & FP 3700 4S. It flies well enough to loop roll and flip a little but has no punch and the motor gets hot in 25 degree weather. I just installed and test-flew with the 600+ motor for 3 minutes just before dark. Temp. 15 degrees. Motor came back at about 80-85 degrees, ESC cold and battery barely luke warm on outside(due to cold) The bat. got a little warmer after setting inside for a couple of min. but only to slightly warm temp. I moved the 11T stock pinion to the 600+ from the A30 as they have similar KV ratings.The difference is astouding. This bird punches out as fast or faster than any TREX I've built. The extra couple of ounces of motor is more than made up for by what seems to be almost double the power. Tom. (Sat.) I am going to give it a good test or two and tach the hover and get hover current reading. I'll need to change my curves too as this motor pulls stronger and liftoff is closer to middle stick. I never got into Idle-up as it was windy and getting dark and very cold and I was/am still scared. Unless all you'll do is FFF, and no punch outs and stunts, you should spend a couple extra $ and start with the 600+. I can't wait for tomorrow. _________________ __________________ Swift .46 on 6S,Homebuilt Swift HELICAM on 5S,TREX 450 HDE (Mech mix),TREX 450 custom HDE to direct CCPM conversion helicam with stretch boom and 350's, Blade3D with custom frame and belt drive .

02-10-2007, 01:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
stevehonn Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006	I've got the older 600 motor in my Swift which is nice but it does run a little hot. I've recently finished a Raptor E550 and fitted a 600+, it has plenty of power on a 6S setup and runs amazingly cool, this is a heli that weighs 3480g/122.75oz, I wish I had a spare for my Swift :wink: __________________ Steve H Trex 600N Sport, 700N , Trex 250, Beam E4, Trex 550E, Raptor E550, Mikado Logo 500 3D, now a happy user of Futaba 10CG

02-25-2007, 08:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
aramsdell Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2006	Weighed my Swift at the local corner store . My elctronic postal scale only goes to 5 lbs. My Swift only goes to 5.51 lbs with the 600+,55/70esc,FP4S-3700 and 4 cell 2500 NiMh flight pack. Much better performance and same flight times as the Hacker! __________________ Swift .46 on 6S,Homebuilt Swift HELICAM on 5S,TREX 450 HDE (Mech mix),TREX 450 custom HDE to direct CCPM conversion helicam with stretch boom and 350's, Blade3D with custom frame and belt drive .

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02-10-2007, 12:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
ddheli Join Date: Jan 2007	good luck! and if to add 6lipo.... :wink:

02-28-2007, 07:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chris DeSain Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2004	Yes the 600 plus is a fantastic motor ! I have been flying one for over a year. I was the test "sucker" for the original OEM that was then Mfg. for Century. It works fantastic for up to 600 MM blades and 6S with 9t is the most common set up, and yes it has been flown up to 10S Yowsa! For the price the Efficiency is also real good. There are better efficiency motors but nothing in that price range. It also has power a plenty ! Selecting this motor instead of playing the I hope it works game with other power plants is a definite safe bet.

03-01-2007, 08:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
RAV50 Join Date: Mar 2005	Chris, I could not have said it better myself.

03-14-2007, 09:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
mnuetzmann Join Date: Feb 2007	ok.... So If I run a 10S on 600+ in the Swift will Century stand behind it? The doc with the motor said only to run it with 6S. I am using the Swift for AP and using 600mm blades and a 10S setup would really help for lifting power. Mark

03-14-2007, 12:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chris DeSain Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2004	No, 10S with load would strip a main gear for one sooner or later. The head speed with the 1100 KV is also way above spec for the stock head.

03-14-2007, 03:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
mnuetzmann Join Date: Feb 2007	ok. Then what about running a 6S1P pack the 600+ and 600mm blades? I am interested in lift but wonder what the load on the ESC/motor would be for this. I would probably be trying to get a HS of around 1850-1900 and adjust pitch to get the lift I need. Mark

03-14-2007, 05:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chris DeSain Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2004	With the 6S pack 1850 to 1900 is not possible with out lowering the speedo power The motor is 1100KV so at 100% and the smallest pinion a 9T you are over 2000 head speed anything lower than 90% would heat the speedo right up in gov mode and the efficiency would also suffer. That set up will spin 600S like a top. You really need to look at a lower KV motor that still is rated with simmilar watts.

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