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Wymanj · 01-22-2009, 06:54 PM

So i have a few questions. I ordered it with the knew walkera 2801 transmitter, and i have to take it to almost full throttle before it starts to lift. i haven't really got it off the ground yet as i dont have room and dont feel comfortable yet. just wondering if throttle over 3/4 the way is right or do i need to do some adjusting? thanks - Jordan

captainep3 · 01-22-2009, 11:42 PM

I have no experience with the 4g3 or the new programmable transmitter, but I do have a pair of 4#3b. They do need more than ~60% throttle to really lift off but they also will climb pretty quickly.
You should be able to adjust the throttle curve through the Tx, or you could program more positive pitch earlier in the travel.

Wymanj · 01-23-2009, 08:15 AM

yeah i did find where you can change the curves. both throttle and pitch. but they didn't really seem to make to much of a difference. i probably should just read the manual...

Steve Joblin · 01-23-2009, 09:09 AM

I heard the manual is quite a "difficult" read to say the least... WowHobbies has gone so far as to create their own addendum to help explain the manual! I would love to see a copy of it... Walkera does have a "download" section on their site, but they don't list the 2801

Wymanj · 01-23-2009, 11:44 AM

yeah ive looked through the manual a couple of times and i think im learning more just changing somethign and flying. something just isnt right tho. it take pretty much full throttle to get it to hover. should the pitch of the blades gradually increase as the throttle goes up? thats the way i understand it. and between no throttle until over 75% throttle they seem to stay nuetral. anyone flying the 4g3 with this remote? and if so, what do you have the throttle and pitch curves set at?

Tom77 · 01-23-2009, 12:41 PM

In Normal flight mode the pitch should be neutral at 50%, but it should not be neutral at 75% so it sounds like you need to adjust the pitch. Up to 50% you are just getting the motor spinning.

I haven't adjusted that yet with the 2801 TX so I can't tell you how to do it, but I had done it with the old 2601 transmitter. There was a way to set the pitch with the stick at 50%.

Wymanj · 01-23-2009, 03:15 PM

what do you guys mean by normal mode. is that when you bind it with the throttle down? and then when you bind it with the throttle mid way its in the other mode?

Tom77 · 01-23-2009, 05:08 PM

Well, please correct me were I am wrong anyone since I am new to this, but there is Normal mode (where you don't intend to fly upside down) and 3D mode (also called Idle up mode ?) where you do intend to invert and fly upside down.

In 3D mode the blade pitch is neutral at center stick (50%) and in addition to the pitch going up as you move the stick up to 100%, the pitch will decrease as you move the stick to 0% and the motor will keep spinning all the way to 0% stick so that you can fly upside down.

The settings for 3D mode are a little different, but you shouldn't need to worry about that yet.

In Normal mode (where you don't intend to fly upside down) the motor should stop spinning at 0% stick and increase up to 50% stick, then at 50% the pitch should start increasing as you push the stick up to 100%.

There is a switch on the right 'shoulder' of the TX. Pushed back it is in normal mode, pulled forward it is in 3D mode.

Oh by the way, never hit the mode switch if the heli is sitting on your workbench plugged into the battery with the throttle stick at 0%... Stuff starts moving really quickly and it's not pretty.

Wymanj · 01-24-2009, 04:38 PM

well i ended up changing the transmitter to 2601 instead of 2801 for this heli. Its been working good, but this way doesn't allow for all the adjustments. Which i can live without. I crashed on my extra set of blades and had to use one from my first set that was good and one from the extra set. Now its been vibrating pretty badly? is it the blades or possible something else? when looking down on the blades as the spin the blue and red lines join toward the front and back of the heli, but to the left and right they are over an 1/8 away from each other...? please let me know how to fix this. thanks - Jordan

jh71 · 01-25-2009, 03:26 AM

The standard blades are pretty useless for learners like you and me.
What you need for sure :
- wooden blades, and order enough (I would say at least ten pair)
- several sets of blade controllers. I would order the original plastic ones, they snap if you hit something, protecting the rest of the mechanics.

The wooden blades are much more robust and more stable (better tracking) then the foam from Walkera. Also they are cheaper.
When you are comfortable with the heli, you can switch back to the original. I read somewhere they are better for 3D.

Continuing with broken blades makes no sense, the helicopter start vibrating, they are out of track, the tail will not hold anymore etc. As you observed.
One observation I made : check where the old blade is connected to the head. If it has been broken there, one blade will have a different angle. It is difficult to see sometimes, but the results are bad.

I order all my parts here :
http://www.chinesejade.com/walkera4G3.htm
John gives a fast service, and is cheaper then other suppliers I found.

It takes approximately 10 days to fly the parts in from HongKong.

01-22-2009, 06:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wymanj Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009	Received my 4G3 today So i have a few questions. I ordered it with the knew walkera 2801 transmitter, and i have to take it to almost full throttle before it starts to lift. i haven't really got it off the ground yet as i dont have room and dont feel comfortable yet. just wondering if throttle over 3/4 the way is right or do i need to do some adjusting? thanks - Jordan

01-23-2009, 05:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tom77 Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2008	Well, please correct me were I am wrong anyone since I am new to this, but there is Normal mode (where you don't intend to fly upside down) and 3D mode (also called Idle up mode ?) where you do intend to invert and fly upside down. In 3D mode the blade pitch is neutral at center stick (50%) and in addition to the pitch going up as you move the stick up to 100%, the pitch will decrease as you move the stick to 0% and the motor will keep spinning all the way to 0% stick so that you can fly upside down. The settings for 3D mode are a little different, but you shouldn't need to worry about that yet. In Normal mode (where you don't intend to fly upside down) the motor should stop spinning at 0% stick and increase up to 50% stick, then at 50% the pitch should start increasing as you push the stick up to 100%. There is a switch on the right 'shoulder' of the TX. Pushed back it is in normal mode, pulled forward it is in 3D mode. Oh by the way, never hit the mode switch if the heli is sitting on your workbench plugged into the battery with the throttle stick at 0%... Stuff starts moving really quickly and it's not pretty. Last edited by Tom77; 01-23-2009 at 05:12 PM.. Reason: Forgot to add an important fact

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01-22-2009, 11:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
captainep3 Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2008	I have no experience with the 4g3 or the new programmable transmitter, but I do have a pair of 4#3b. They do need more than ~60% throttle to really lift off but they also will climb pretty quickly. You should be able to adjust the throttle curve through the Tx, or you could program more positive pitch earlier in the travel.

01-23-2009, 08:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Wymanj Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009	yeah i did find where you can change the curves. both throttle and pitch. but they didn't really seem to make to much of a difference. i probably should just read the manual...

01-23-2009, 09:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Joblin Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2008	I heard the manual is quite a "difficult" read to say the least... WowHobbies has gone so far as to create their own addendum to help explain the manual! I would love to see a copy of it... Walkera does have a "download" section on their site, but they don't list the 2801

01-23-2009, 11:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Wymanj Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009	yeah ive looked through the manual a couple of times and i think im learning more just changing somethign and flying. something just isnt right tho. it take pretty much full throttle to get it to hover. should the pitch of the blades gradually increase as the throttle goes up? thats the way i understand it. and between no throttle until over 75% throttle they seem to stay nuetral. anyone flying the 4g3 with this remote? and if so, what do you have the throttle and pitch curves set at?

01-23-2009, 12:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tom77 Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2008	In Normal flight mode the pitch should be neutral at 50%, but it should not be neutral at 75% so it sounds like you need to adjust the pitch. Up to 50% you are just getting the motor spinning. I haven't adjusted that yet with the 2801 TX so I can't tell you how to do it, but I had done it with the old 2601 transmitter. There was a way to set the pitch with the stick at 50%.

01-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wymanj Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009	what do you guys mean by normal mode. is that when you bind it with the throttle down? and then when you bind it with the throttle mid way its in the other mode?

01-24-2009, 04:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wymanj Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jan 2009	well i ended up changing the transmitter to 2601 instead of 2801 for this heli. Its been working good, but this way doesn't allow for all the adjustments. Which i can live without. I crashed on my extra set of blades and had to use one from my first set that was good and one from the extra set. Now its been vibrating pretty badly? is it the blades or possible something else? when looking down on the blades as the spin the blue and red lines join toward the front and back of the heli, but to the left and right they are over an 1/8 away from each other...? please let me know how to fix this. thanks - Jordan

01-25-2009, 03:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
jh71 Join Date: Nov 2008	The standard blades are pretty useless for learners like you and me. What you need for sure : - wooden blades, and order enough (I would say at least ten pair) - several sets of blade controllers. I would order the original plastic ones, they snap if you hit something, protecting the rest of the mechanics. The wooden blades are much more robust and more stable (better tracking) then the foam from Walkera. Also they are cheaper. When you are comfortable with the heli, you can switch back to the original. I read somewhere they are better for 3D. Continuing with broken blades makes no sense, the helicopter start vibrating, they are out of track, the tail will not hold anymore etc. As you observed. One observation I made : check where the old blade is connected to the head. If it has been broken there, one blade will have a different angle. It is difficult to see sometimes, but the results are bad. I order all my parts here : http://www.chinesejade.com/walkera4G3.htm John gives a fast service, and is cheaper then other suppliers I found. It takes approximately 10 days to fly the parts in from HongKong.

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