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10-20-2013, 06:54 PM | #1 (permalink) | ||
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Who says you can't auto the Warp!
I've seen a couple of vids with pro and team pilots doing autos with this bird, so I knew it was capable of it. Until today, I've always been hesitant to try it for two reasons. One is that it's a small bird, and two because of no tail control.
Well, I don't fly well with cold fingers, and the wind chill today was down to 38*F. So I decided I would try some autos rather than my normal flight routine. Also, being that it's near the end of our flying season up here (the 5 day forecast calls for rain changing to snow), I wasn't worried about crashing the bird. There's some misinformation out there that a heli with a non-driven tail will spin uncontrollably when you hit Throttle Hold. Well, I'm just a regular flyer. I can do some 3D and some precision flying, but I'm far from having pro skills. In this video, you can see that the Warp maintains it's heading until just before touch down, then all it does is rotate CW a little.
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10-20-2013, 07:12 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Nice. I like the non tail assisted autos. Plenty of auto energy available
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10-20-2013, 09:54 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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nice auto bob o ,i always wanted to try that
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10-21-2013, 12:52 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Who says you can't auto the Warp!
I even run out of blade energy and set it down hard sometimes since the tail blades aren't moving no damage occurs it bounces well
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10-21-2013, 04:13 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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So cool
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10-21-2013, 05:14 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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yeah, one of those moves I've yet to try. want to quickly cover specifics of autoing on warp? I'm already landing with "auto" as in shutting down motor few feet above the ground, but I know there's not much hover time - what to expect from full auto? It's hard to tell from the video how fast it's descending and how big of a window there is to go back to positive pitch. also, you come in at an angle - is that to make tail more predictable?
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10-21-2013, 12:54 PM | #7 (permalink) | ||
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I've watched this video numerous times and tried to duplicate his technique.
My own experience comes from just doing basic autos like what you saw in my video. I've done these same autos with all my larger birds, just never with the Warp. I prefer only a moderate glide slope (descent angle) and moderate speed. This makes it so there's not a whole lot left to do in the flare. The lighter blades on these smaller birds makes it so there's not a lot of energy in the disc to "float" the heli after the flare. My first attempt in the video was too fast (for me) and too flat. Had the descent been steeper, I could have used the excess air speed to help speed up the disc in the flare, which would have given me more energy to slow the heli down and still have enough to land it properly. So basically my technique is to fly level at a moderate speed, then hit Throttle Hold. Move the collective immediately into negative pitch, not much though, just a couple of degrees and hold it there. Then focus on the attitude of the heli, try to keep the nose slightly pitched up, not too much as you don't want the whole approach to be one long flare. A few feet off the ground, pitch the nose up a little bit more (to expose more of the underside of the disc to the oncoming air) and simultaneously give some more negative pitch. Not much more, a couple of degrees maybe.......this is the actual flare. This is necessary to speed up the disc in order to stop the heli's forward speed and still have some energy left over to land it while still having some cyclic control. Once you've speed up the disc in the flare (you can actually hear it speeding up) and the heli has slowed adequately, start feeding in some positive pitch while controlling the hover with cyclic so the heli touches down the way you want it to. That's it for my technique. Hope it helps. It would be nice to see some more regular guys like me doing some autos with this bird.
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10-21-2013, 01:20 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Do a unpowered forced descents count? Lol. I have had quite a few of those in testing out various systems on mine.
I actually built a jig with align 550 skids that were shortened and used these as skids on my Warp to practice with to be honest. But we need to change the terminology here. I wouldn't call it anything like a true controlled auto. More like a controlled descent. My tail always moves off axis. So if you aren't proficient at all your hovering angles it is going to get real ugly in a hurry. I built mine so the wider stance and larger skid foot print was much much safer than the tiny Warp skids are on grass. You need that grass cushion while practicing these. And with the tiny Warp skids on grass, tip overs are way too easy.
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10-21-2013, 02:08 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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I tipped my Warp in several occasions, no damage to report.
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10-21-2013, 02:10 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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cool, thanks for tips!
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10-21-2013, 03:29 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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If a person isn't proficient with their upright hovering orientations, they're probably not at the stage where they should be attempting autos, especially on a heli with a non-driven tail. What about guys who fly from blacktop or concrete? Grass cushioning isn't needed. I was flying at an abandoned landfill, mostly dirt with gravel and clumps of grass. Technique is what's important in an auto, obviously. Not about to put wide skids on the heli and look for a thick grassy spot just so I can practice autos. All I wanted to do here was refute some bunk information I read about the Warp and non-driven tails.
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10-21-2013, 03:50 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Babo (that's how it sounded in your video to my Italian ears ), how can you say you are a "regular flyer"? That's understatement! Do I recall correctly your video flying in the indoor football arena? Come on! And what about these autos?
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10-21-2013, 03:59 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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+1 to Bob, despite the non-driven tail, this heli autos like a dream, almost as well as my Fusion 50.
Contrary to some peoples belief, steering the heli is NOT impossible, its actually quite easy as the tail just follows the nose. As long as you have a little forward speed and no cross winds, you can easily steer with the ailerons. The body will shimmy a little bit due to the constant fight between the heli's trajectory and the true wind direction, but this is no problem. I did have a few tip-overs, but this was purely due to the fact that this is my first FBL heli and I was just too used to controlling the disk even after the skids touched down. Since I started to let go of cyclic at the moment of touch down, I haven't tipped once.
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10-21-2013, 04:16 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Thanks Coco.
Igor, Next time I'll go higher and try steering it around like you've mentioned.
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10-23-2013, 12:21 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Sorry, My Warped sense of humor is all Bob. My mistake was not making it more obvious.
I concur, it can be done. But the guy doing it has to be proficient at landing in all orientations. It is still extremely difficult on uneven surfaces. Which is where I fly. I did dozens of them on grass with my wider skids.
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04-28-2014, 04:18 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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I started auto'n my warp a couple of days ago.
I learned how to auto on my Logo 500. One of the main reasons I got the warp was because of the non-driven tail. I tried several times to auto my mini - protos(non stretched) and it was rather difficult. But I have seen it done. Friend of mine auto's his mini-p stretched so I'm not knocking the mini-p at all. The Warp was VERY easy to auto! I get it up there so it looks like a Nano. Get some forward speed with some negative collective and cut the power. My collective stick is just below center and I just glide it in. The closer to the ground I stop forward feed and give it positive collective the better. Still working on that. Most of the time it comes to rest tail in when autoing right to left but sometimes it will land nose in if I flare too high. But the vbar does a good job keeping it level. The cool thing is you will never ding the tail blades or damage the tail. I've tipped it over a couple of times but out of say 25 autos I've just dinged one of the blades. No other damage. I think it will really help improve my auto's! |
04-28-2014, 04:48 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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Nice Maarset
This heli is truly a joy to auto, it builds and keeps HS very easily due to the lowest possible drag
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04-28-2014, 05:54 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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I too started auto'ing the Warp. I've been a bit heavy on a landing or two. I sure wish someone had some stronger/better landing gear.
I've set up my ikon to give me just a touch of tail speed on autos. It's been working out perfect. I'm getting all the benefits of a tail driven bird for autos (gives some tail control) along with the benefits of a non-driven tail auto (less head speed drag). This thing is a fine little heli. |
04-28-2014, 06:50 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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To someone unfamiliar with ikon, can you explain what or how the ikon can achieve the benefits of a driven tail without the tail rotor?
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04-28-2014, 07:51 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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OUTSTANDING BOB!
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