Helijive

[Magneto]

Helicraze yes I hovered it with the kontronic gov just to check it and then went straight to vbar gov I have a few small tweaks to make other than that its plug and play I got some info from Mr Mel on the vbar gov and Into the mystic walked me thru the gov setup and the first flight was pretty much flawless I like it better than the jive gov. Its that good!

[MrMel]

Originally Posted by helicraze

Great stuff! I will buy 2 or 3 helijive once they have finalised it.

Keep in mind there will be two versions out there, new version will have designation v11
(there is v10 in stock at places so make sure you get right one)

[Mystic3D]

I want to see vid of initial kick with a scorp 4525 or 4530 Xera before i decide.


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[MrMel]

Initial start = Same as internal modes on a Jive, the first seconds = ESC driving, then it "let control over to Vbar"

[Mystic3D]

Originally Posted by MrMel

Initial start = Same as internal modes on a Jive, the first seconds = ESC driving, then it "let control over to Vbar"

I need an ESC for the Goblin, The YGE 160Hv is working flawless in the 700E so that is not going to be changed. No gov glitches from the Phase Output in Vbar Log. Only complaint is YGE has no clue how it works with VBar, they send you to Mikado, Mikado send you to YGE, Evil Circle of nowhere, (accountabilty>resolution)

The reality is the VBar is the head, and the ESC is now the tail of the dog. Sorry if lost in translation, it means the VBar Gov Support determines ESC Selection, not the other way around as it used to be.

Then you have the HeliJive, K took the time to get it right, Mr Mel supports it, not sure could ask any more than that. So the nod should go to HeliJive, Nod meaning a HeliJive is in my future.

Not trying to bash anyone, but the truth is the truth.

[helicraze]

Yep, vote for helijive, assuming software is working well.

Mrmel, with thr on and off position is there a value we can use for every heli or do we need to test each time we do setup? What if i leave 100/100 in vbar??

Thanks

[swalko]

Originally Posted by MrMel

Keep in mind there will be two versions out there, new version will have designation v11
(there is v10 in stock at places so make sure you get right one)

There will be different HW or only new firmware?

[dl7uae]

A pure firmware mod.

[swalko]

Then it will be same as was mentioned some time ago. I was not sure, because Mr.Mel wroted "designation v11".

[MrMel]

It will say v11 on it (software change only), its not released to public yet though, only to a few testers.
But it will be soon.
(first HeliJive was v10)

[g-bru]

Originally Posted by In_to_the_Mystic_2003

I need an ESC for the Goblin, The YGE 160Hv is working flawless in the 700E so that is not going to be changed. No gov glitches from the Phase Output in Vbar Log. Only complaint is YGE has no clue how it works with VBar, they send you to Mikado, Mikado send you to YGE, Evil Circle of nowhere, (accountabilty>resolution)

The reality is the VBar is the head, and the ESC is now the tail of the dog. Sorry if lost in translation, it means the VBar Gov Support determines ESC Selection, not the other way around as it used to be.

Then you have the HeliJive, K took the time to get it right, Mr Mel supports it, not sure could ask any more than that. So the nod should go to HeliJive, Nod meaning a HeliJive is in my future.

Not trying to bash anyone, but the truth is the truth.

Yep, Mystic is quite correct with the above statement. I too will be ditching my YGE for a Helijive when its available!!

G


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[JustinS]

So with V11 Helijive the only change is software to enable using vbar gov?
I run the current Helijive, love it, why do guys prefer vbar gov over the helijive gov?

[Justin Stuart]

Using the HeliJive with the Vbar governor allows the "feed forward" of power to the ESC in anticipation of pitch changes. Similar to the tail precompensation on the Vbar. The Kontronik governor reacts to pitch changes after they have already happened, while the Vbar governor feeds more power in before the pitch change happens.

I am personally somewhat skeptical about using the Vbar governor with the Jive. I find that the Jive internal governor works extremely well, and I feel that if you hold control over the motor RPM even more tightly, it may make considerably more stress on the ESC. I find that by programming with the control card the "Smooth +", "I-", and/or "P-" settings, you can limit some of the current spikes which cause the Jive to reach overcurrent and shut down.

That being said, I have not yet flows the Vbar governor so I cannot say for certain if my predictions hold true. I do know, however, that I purchased a JLog2 so that I can closely follow my two HeliJives (when the arrive) to know for certain what kind of stresses are being placed on their internal circuitry. This should be much more effective in diagnosis of a problem than simply looking at the number of flashes on the side of the ESC.

If I had my way, I would buy a HeliJive 200+ or HeliJive 250+ so that I could abuse it as much as I wanted without ever having to worry about any overcurrent issues. But since at present the HeliJive 120 is as big as it gets and as good as it gets with ESCs, I feel we need to be somewhat careful with how much power we feed through the HeliJive. And so as a consequence I am concerned that the Vbar governor will create considerably more stress on the HeliJive circuitry possibly causing it to prematurely burn out compared to the stock Jive internal governor.

[MrMel]

Justin, 20% less peaks with VBar governor compared to not using precompensation (i.e. internal gov), so if you get overcurrent shutdown, or burn it out due to overcurrent its when using the internal gov, not external.

See graph here;
https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...71&postcount=6

[Justin Stuart]

20% less peaks? Interesting. Thanks for sharing that graph.

[MrMel]

Was surprised myself, but, during sustained tictocs for sample the avg will be higher, as the vbar holds tigher control.

[Mystic3D]

VBar Gov is nice, ESP on a 700E. With Jive I had tail kicks i could not get rid of. VBar Gov is much smoother and end up running lower HS for the same "feel", "pop"


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[Magneto]

The new Helijive I am fling is perfect not a glitch, I have over 70 flights on it now and its perfect with the vbar gov. This is the best ESC I have ever used the HS dosent sway at all iin tictocs flips any manuver, I had my buddy follow me around with a tach this wk End. I want to Thank Jan Burmeister at Kontronic for all his help and getting the Helijive perfected.

[JamesGreen]

When is it released and what phase sensor?

[MrMel]

It will be released later this week, and Hyperion Phase sensor works best.