Flybarless Protos, share your files and your notes on your setups :)

[psych-lick]

OICU812,
What head are you using?

also,

6. ) I am 16.3mm out on stock 6 point futaba horn, setting these and finding one best to 90 is best done before mounting servos in the servo brick of the Protos, otherwise impossible. I tried 14mm and 16.3 is the one you want to use to get best cyclic and collective feel, note my cyclic ring and cyclic gain, you do not want to adjust these on the model as outside of those paramters gives wierd feeling due to Protos geometry, use your cyclic agility etc on main page for faster and feel.

I don't show 16.3mm is possible on the 6-point futaba arm. Did you mean the 4-point arm?

I am on 16.3 out on the 4-point arm with the stock conversion head and I am getting much larger throws (72 give me 13.5 degrees) and much smaller cyclic ring (60) and gain (85).

[OICU812]

Stock head is what I had and 5065mg servos are you running same servos? With my advanced file settings nothng was touching, binding etc.

[psych-lick]

you are running 5065's? or 9650's..

I am running 9650's.

Also, are you sure you are using the 6-point arm at 16.3 out?

[OICU812]

I'm sure of distance as I measured when I did the post and yes 9650 as first post mentions. I don't have heli anymore to look at which horn but that's the distance and with those servos it was perfectly fine with my file here yes.

***EDITED** YES I am running 9650 servos on Protos.

[kswaid]

Originally Posted by OICU812

I'm sure of distance as I measured when I did the post and yes 5065 as first post mentions. I don't have heli anymore to look at which horn but that's the distance and with those servos it was perfectly fine with my file here yes.

FYI, your first post says you used 9650 servos.

[OICU812]

OOOps! Sorry getting my 450 Pro thread and this mixed up, so sorry!!! YES I was running 9650 Futaba servos!

[kswaid]

Thanks for posting up all the info though. I definitely plan to try your settings once I get the Protos back together after the tail spontaneously disassembled itself a couple hundred feet up. My previous setup was just nowhere near as precise as I wanted it to be, so I hope this will guide me down the right path.

[terrabit]

CF kit
Standard vbar unit w/satelite rx
MHS fbl head conversion
Futaba 9650's (16.5mm servo arm)
Futaba BLS251 (14mm servo arm)
CC ICE lite 75A ESC
Scorpion 3026-880kv (15t pinion)
6s Turnigy 20c 2650's
Sab 430's
Stock tail

Running:

Collective: +/-12.5 degrees
Headspeed: 2500, 2600, 2800

Head Geometry: (to center)

Blade Grips = 25mm
A = 27mm
B = 15mm

Common ratio = .56
Collective ratio = .15
Cyclic ratio = .08

[Otatiaro]

Hello,

Originally Posted by Melly

Protos, Scorpion 3026-880, Jeti Spin 66, Jeti Duplex R6, AC-3X, MKS9660 x3, tail Futaba BLS251. (my front servo is on the right side and the tail is on the left side of the heli)

When looking from front or from rear of the heli (a photo would be perfect) ?

Regards,
Thomas.

[whisperdancer]

Anyone can post a VBar V5.0 file for the Protos?

Thank you.

[marfdaman]

Here you go...

[Thunder Fighter]

Here is my setup with the sk-720, flying sports and basic aerobatics.

Cyclic servo's DS510
Tail servo futabla 9257

Using the default setting preload with the following changes.
Cyclic Tx gain 55%
Tail Tx gain 32%
Rate gain 60%
HH gain 75%

//Dennis

[Tweekster]

Where are you guys mounting your Mini Vbar on the Protos? Top shelf? Below the main shaft? Pics?

[Ecaf]

Total-G config:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<TotalG>
    <FlightControl>
        <Radio_Type>Spektrum</Radio_Type>
        <FC_Gain_Channel>Aux3</FC_Gain_Channel>
        <Gyro_Gain_Channel>Aux2</Gyro_Gain_Channel>
        <Gov_Channel>Off</Gov_Channel>
        <Auto_Trim_Switch_Channel>Aux4</Auto_Trim_Switch_Channel>
        <Aux_A_Channel>NA    Aux5</Aux_A_Channel>
        <Aux_B_Channel>NA    Aux6</Aux_B_Channel>
        <Max_Gain>65</Max_Gain>
        <Swashplate_Mode>120 CCPM</Swashplate_Mode>
        <Ail_Servo_Direction>Normal</Ail_Servo_Direction>
        <Col_Servo_Direction>Reverse</Col_Servo_Direction>
        <Elev_Servo_Direction>Normal</Elev_Servo_Direction>
        <Ail_Servo_Neutral>-10</Ail_Servo_Neutral>
        <Col_Servo_Neutral>12</Col_Servo_Neutral>
        <Elev_Servo_Neutral>-3</Elev_Servo_Neutral>
        <Orientation>HorzBckFrnt</Orientation>
        <Roll_Gyro_Direction>Reverse</Roll_Gyro_Direction>
        <Flip_Gyro_Direction>Normal</Flip_Gyro_Direction>
        <Auto_Trim>Off</Auto_Trim>
        <Trim_Lock>Throttle</Trim_Lock>
        <Piro_Comp_Type>Mix</Piro_Comp_Type>
        <Ail_Input_Multiplier>40</Ail_Input_Multiplier>
        <Col_Input_Multiplier>45</Col_Input_Multiplier>
        <Elev_Input_Multiplier>40</Elev_Input_Multiplier>
        <Right_Roll_Stop>33</Right_Roll_Stop>
        <Left_Roll_Stop>33</Left_Roll_Stop>
        <Forward_Flip_Stop>33</Forward_Flip_Stop>
        <Back_Flip_Stop>33</Back_Flip_Stop>
        <Left_Ail_TR_Mix>0</Left_Ail_TR_Mix>
        <Left_Elev_TR_Mix>0</Left_Elev_TR_Mix>
        <Right_Ail_TR_Mix>0</Right_Ail_TR_Mix>
        <Right_Elev_TR_Mix>0</Right_Elev_TR_Mix>
        <Elev_To_Ail_Mix>0</Elev_To_Ail_Mix>
        <Ail_To_Elev_Mix>0</Ail_To_Elev_Mix>
        <Expo>30</Expo>
        <Col_Pitch_Direction>Neg Pitch</Col_Pitch_Direction>
        <Ail_Level_Pos>100</Ail_Level_Pos>
        <Col_Level_Pos>100</Col_Level_Pos>
        <Elev_Level_Pos>100</Elev_Level_Pos>
        <Ail_Level_Neg>100</Ail_Level_Neg>
        <Col_Level_Neg>100</Col_Level_Neg>
        <Elev_Level_Neg>100</Elev_Level_Neg>
        <Hidden_Heading_Mode>Automatic</Hidden_Heading_Mode>
        <Hidden_Expo_Width>100</Hidden_Expo_Width>
        <Hidden_Hd_Off_RPM>80</Hidden_Hd_Off_RPM>
        <Hidden_Hd_On_RPM>145</Hidden_Hd_On_RPM>
        <Hidden_Delay>35</Hidden_Delay>
        <Hidden_Decay_Secs>5</Hidden_Decay_Secs>
        <Hidden_TRmLThrt_Th>30</Hidden_TRmLThrt_Th>
        <Hidden_Pir_Out_dTR>120</Hidden_Pir_Out_dTR>
        <Hidden_Roll_Speed>33</Hidden_Roll_Speed>
        <Hidden_Roll_Rate_Gain>6</Hidden_Roll_Rate_Gain>
        <Hidden_Roll_Head_Gain>20</Hidden_Roll_Head_Gain>
        <Hidden_Roll_Head_Limit>80</Hidden_Roll_Head_Limit>
        <Hidden_Flip_Speed>33</Hidden_Flip_Speed>
        <Hidden_Flip_Rate_Gain>7</Hidden_Flip_Rate_Gain>
        <Hidden_Flip_Head_Gain>20</Hidden_Flip_Head_Gain>
        <Hidden_Flip_Head_Limit>80</Hidden_Flip_Head_Limit>
        <Hidden_PirMix>Collective</Hidden_PirMix>
    </FlightControl>
</TotalG>

[Ecaf]

Originally Posted by Tweekster

Where are you guys mounting your Mini Vbar on the Protos? Top shelf? Below the main shaft? Pics?

Below the mainshaft. I made a shim out of a plastic paint scraper to go between the FBL unit and the bottom plate.

Works well....

[popokatepetl]

Here's my Microbeast setting:

swash servos: SAVOX SH-1250 (horn 16mm)
tail servo: SAVOX SH-1290 (horn 10mm)

BEC: 6V

Par C: red
Par D: red

Pot1: 9 hrs
Pot2: 12hrs
Pot3: 9hrs

Tail gain: H

Main blades: MS Champion 430mm
Head speed: 2700 RPM
Pitch: +-12°

[vs0587]

MSH Protos Carbon:
- SAB Blades
- Beastx Microbeast v3
- 3x Futaba S9650
- 1x Futaba S9254
- YGE 60A ESC
- Scorpion 880kV

[JoeR]

I have the new swash driver parts on my FBL Protos and I'm trying to set it up. The BeastX instructions say to level the swash driver arms (just as one would do when setting up a FB heli), however, it looks like swash would have to get really high before the driver arms are level.

Anyone else have the newer swash driver arrangement and can comment?

[whisperdancer]

Forget leveling the arms. That is different from heli to heli.
Protos doesn't have the arms level at 0º pitch, so you can't go that way.
Just put hte links at the recommended lenght and level the swash.

[terrabit]

So the arms of the new and improved MSH swash driver don't level at zero pitch? That's a little disappointing. No, it won't make or break the system but I would argue that it should be level at zero pitch. If it's not then throws will be uneven at full deflection. This could lead to out of phase conditions at extremes which could show up as off axis piros, flips, rolls and loops. Watch for these and please let us know if you're experiencing any of it.