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12-31-2008, 07:30 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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which spectrum receiver
So I am in the middle of doing a conversion of my CP2 and HBFP birds to spectrum with brushless. I have a DX7 on the way (good ebay deal), but I don't have a receiver picked out. Which receiver would work well on both of these birds? (I will migrate the setup from one bird to another to see how they both fly with the upgrade). AR6100 or AR6200? There seems to be noticeable price difference between them.
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12-31-2008, 07:35 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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The AR6100E will likely be the best choice for the HBFP. It is the same as the AR6100 but has the connector pins on the edge of the receiver.
The AR6200 has a satellite receiver and is not suitable for the HBFP. You will lose site of the heli before you need to worry about radio range. Here is one source for the AR6100E: http://www.lightflightrc.com/HTML/pr...um-AR6100E.htm |
12-31-2008, 07:45 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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I forgot to add that I wanted to use the DX7 throttle hold feature with the receiver
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12-31-2008, 07:51 PM | #4 (permalink) | |
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Mike,
Can you please elaborate as to why the 6200 is not suitable for the HBFP? With the 6100E I can use it on the CP2 and HBFP, right? (just different programming on the TX). Besides the TX/RX I would need a gyro, brushless main motor, and an ESC, right? I also want to use a DD tail with the birds. I am not quite sure as to how to setup the power source for the tail motor. Does it get powered from the servo connector? I am new to non-stock electronics so I am pretty noobish in this regard Quote:
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01-01-2009, 03:41 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Roman,
You can use the AR6200 for the HBFP, but it will be overkill. The AR6200 has a satellite receiver that gives redundant communications for larger aircraft that fly beyond the immediate area or have so much structural material that the main receiver can be blocked. The HBFP is too small to fly very far, not that it cannot, but it just becomes to hard to see (at least for me). If you have the AR6200, you can certainly use it with no problem, but you will not need to use the satellite receiver. The AR6100 and AR6100E have the same capabilities as the AR6200 aside from the extra receiver. You can also use the AR6100 receivers on your CP2 if you decide to go that route. I really like HeliFreak, but when it comes to the micro helis, RCGroups has more activity and you are likely to find more information on the CP2 and HBFP. HeliFreak is best for the larger helis. Here are some links for the modifications you are considering: AR6100E Conversion: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=8274 DX7 Setup: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=7060 4-in-1 Setup (also works for stock configuration): http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=7988 Now...here is my opinion on the HBFP upgrades, and I seem to be alone in this. Aside from the stock motor and maybe the DD tail conversion, I would leave it alone and fly the crap out of it. I went down this path, and while it was fun (because I like to build), the return on investment was zero. None of the improvements made me a better pilot and looking back on the additional money I put into them, I could have bought a T-Rex 450. Configuring the HBFP to work with the DX7 will undoubtedly make it somewhat easier to fly, as I did this with two King 2 helis, because you can add expo to the controls. The stock motor is good for about 20 flights, if the three helis I had are any indication, and the Xtreme 380 or Slo-Max are the best upgrades. I have mixed opinions on the DD tail upgrade, but did it on two anyway. Changing the motor means you should change the blades to maximize the higher headspeed, but this is not required. I flew one with the Xtreme 380 motor and stock blades until I sold it. The person I sold it to still flies it without any other modifications. The upgrades to the HBFP became a slippery slope greased by my bank account...but I had fun and would not do it again. Hindsight is wonderful. Good luck and Happy New Year! |
01-05-2009, 05:34 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Hi mike sorry to jack this thread but you said the stock motor is only good for 20 flights? Does it just loose a bit of power after that or die alltogether? Also this is the main motor right, is the tail much better?
I dont really want to be changing the motor every 20 flights but i am also not that great at modding things and making a non stock motor mount, i just like to buy and fly if i can. Cheers Lee. Oh and Happy New Year too |
01-06-2009, 03:17 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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Lee,
The 20-flight statement for the stock motor is based on my experience. I think they are not a good fit for the heli and are underpowered. The Xtreme 380X and Slo-Max 300 appear to be better engineered motors. Replacing the stock motor with the Xtreme 380X is a ten minute job, at most. It is a direct fit and the only modification is to reverse the plug that goes into the 4-in-1 controller because the motor rotates in the opposite direction as the stock motor. It comes wth the correct pinion gear and electrical leads attached. Fitting the Avionics Slo-Max 300 takes more time because it does not come with a pinion gear and the motor leads must be changed. Xtreme 380X: http://www.ushobbysupply.com/product...roducts_id=695 Avionics Slo-Max 300: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=ORI61107 The Xtreme motor is more expensive than the Slo-Max, but once you buy the pinion for the Slo-Max and spend the extra time fitting it, I think the Xtreme is a better deal. There are lots of posts on other forums saying that the Xtreme 380X will burn up the 4-in-1. I am running this motor on two of my helis and have never had a problem with either of them. I did install a 7.5A fuse in line with the motor leads, but six months later, I have not replace the fuse. I have not had any problems with the stock tail motor. On two of my HBFP helis, I made the direct drive (DD) modifications to replace the geared motor setup with a GWS motor and prop, but the third continues to fly with the stock motor. |
01-06-2009, 07:18 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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The for taking the time to reply mike, i will try and find somewhere that sells the xtreme over here in the uk, if i can not i will see if hobbysupply ships to uk, failing that any us store that ships to uk.
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01-06-2009, 07:48 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Lee,
If you do not find a local distributor, you can order directly from the source: http://www.miracle-mart.com/ Edit: Here is the link for the motor: http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/in...oducts_id=2138 Last edited by Mike66; 01-06-2009 at 11:16 PM.. Reason: Add link for motor |
01-06-2009, 07:13 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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While the 6100E is the best choice, I'm running the 6200 as this is what I had laying around. It works. I just mounted the aux antenna in front of the now 3:1 with some double sided tape.
The side entry servo wires still fit, but it's a little tight in the canopy. I just shifted over the newly assembled 6200/3:1 and it is fine. Kent |
01-07-2009, 01:59 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I am waiting for a 6100 to come and will migrate the head onto a guru-z belt frame. I think there will plenty of space to fit all of the electronics. I am a bit worried about the push rod linkage being long enough to setup the head as the left right servos need to be stacked on top of each other.
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