Sneak Peak: Protos 700

[DannyvG]

I am not trolling. Seriously I think there isnt a decent 700 available for ME. Thats why I said IMHO.
I can put a whole list of things that is imho wrong with the current 700's but I wont do that this is not the place to discuss that.
In a lot of helis are very simple design errors or just plain wrong concept.
The Diabolo and Synergy E7 come close but still doesnt cut it for me.

And if the 700 market was saturated then why do all the first batches of new helis sell out in no time?

So I am very curious to see what the protos 700 will bring.

[mkovalcson]

Originally Posted by Geffect

Synergy E7 is pretty hard to fault. Then there are the german helis TDR and Diablo which are very nice...

Yup!

I would say the Gaui X7 looks really good too!
The Banshee could be really nice as well if you value speed above all else

I'm really looking forward to my TDR build and really don't see anything that could really be improved on this heli, but that is based in my preferences.

You can call me a heritic in this forum, but I think the draw of the Protos sensibilities are lost at the size of a 700 series heli.

It won't be able to handle the crazy power of some of the other belted 700 series solutions like the Goblin or Banshee which can handle any power you can throw at them.

It won't have the efficiency of a TDR or Gaui X7.

It won't be as cheap as a Synergy E7 or Compass 7HV kit.

It looks like it will be priced at about the Gaui X7 level and have plenty of 700's above it and below it in terms of various capabilities and prices.

I'm curious how do you think it can differentiate itself? Weight?

[mkovalcson]

Originally Posted by djamgils

And if the 700 market was saturated then why do all the first batches of new helis sell out in no time?

Look at how people approach this hobby and ask yourself that question again.

We are all insane in the membrane

[wbefield]

I wonder what servos they are testing the prototype with?

[mkovalcson]

Originally Posted by wbefield

I wonder what servos they are testing the prototype with?

From what I can tell most people don't see much of a difference in the cyclic servos whether they be .11 or .06 sec/60 degrees and with fairly wide torque spreads.

The HV servos seem to be just another way to get people to replace servos that work just fine.

Tail servos seem to be the only area people actually notice a difference and the venerable Futaba BLS 251 seems to be a definite winner in this category.

[zeeflyboy]

Originally Posted by mkovalcson

From what I can tell most people don't see much of a difference in the cyclic servos whether they be .11 or .06 sec/60 degrees and with fairly wide torque spreads.

The HV servos seem to be just another way to get people to replace servos that work just fine.

Tail servos seem to be the only area people actually notice a difference and the venerable Futaba BLS 251 seems to be a definite winner in this category.

Yes and no...

The brushless servos definitely bring much better reliability and service life, whether it be cyclic or tail. With FBL the higher performance from (good) HV cyclic servos does manifest itself in setup, but in flight I agree doesn't give a particular boost. There is something to be said for increased reliability from operating more within their comfort zone but that would simply be conjecture. In general when you pay more for a servo though you are paying for quality as much as you are specs... Whether they be HV or not. Comparable quality HV and non HV servos aren't that different price wise IMO.

The biggest advantage hiwever, is being able to run straight from a lipo in my opinion!

[mkovalcson]

I wasn't suggesting that they are all created equal just that it really doesn't matter what they are using for testing purposes. Most high quality servos will do whatever they show in any demo videos.

Pick something you trust and fly! I like high quality brushless servos with a solid track record.

[DannyvG]

Originally Posted by mkovalcson

I'm curious how do you think it can differentiate itself? Weight?

Lower weight would be a good thing. But I would be more interested in smart use of materials and construction principles. Not just another heli with 2 carbon plates with horizontal alu parts. As it seems the protos 700 will be using a mix of carbon, plastics and alu.
I also like the full belt drive but I am curious to see how they implement it because it doesnt seem feasible to have a 1:10 ratio with just a single stage but perhaps they have found out some smart things to make it work. I dont care about the supposedly high power setups. I believe in the governor and collective management.
Looking at the one available picture it doesnt seem possible to change the batterys with the canopy still attached. The thing I dislike most about my logo is the 5 straps you need to hold the battery in place and the need to remove the canopy. Takes to much time and hassle to exchange the batterys.
But what I do like is the durability, smoothness and simplicity.
And that last part also accounts for my protos500 although with this cold weather it doesnt fly verry wel because of the links are shrinking.

[alexf1852]

Not sure who all has seen the following links, but here's some more info. Use Google Translate.
http://szene.litronics2000.de/?p=3224
http://www.rcmania.hk/2012/02/19806

[desertstalker]

Originally Posted by djamgils

although with this cold weather it doesnt fly verry wel because of the links are shrinking.

Easy fix for that, get a second set of links and the reamer, let the whole lot get cold (reamer too) and ream them out. That set should then be good for the cold weather (keep the other set for when it warms up).

There is no way around this (unless you could somehow use metal links) as the plastic shrinks more than the metal in the cold.

[tacomaster]

Originally Posted by mkovalcson

A Nitro is a perfect application for a cgy 750. That is the one flybarless controller that really doesn't seem to care about vibrations.

[Winfred]

Originally Posted by kanglou

Any more pictures of it soon?

I found these; http://rcmastersportugal.blogspot.com/

[Jomaba4308]

Originally Posted by Winfred

I found these; http://rcmastersportugal.blogspot.com/

There aren't any new pics of the 700 on that site. Just a couple silhouette pics of the 700, the 500 with the brain fbl& futaba cyclic servos, last was the miniP with the mks cyclic servos

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[buzzsaw 46]

Is it ready yet I have a burning desire for a 700!!

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More pictures!!! More info!!! More video!!! Pretty please with sugar on top!!!