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12-18-2010, 01:22 PM | #241 (permalink) |
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I'm sure it would be more expensive for the customer, but I would have thought that the setup costs for Mikado would be manageable.
Do you have any idea how much it would cost for a set of frames made this way? I was guessing several hundreds of dollars per frame, which is still a price many would pay. It's done, to some extent, for r/c glider wings so I don't think the idea is off-the-wall. |
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12-18-2010, 03:46 PM | #242 (permalink) |
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Only Mikado knows how many units they can realistically sell in 3 years (a pretty typical calculation for break even). take your ~$120,000 (SWAG) frame R/D + molds cost and divide by the number of kits you plan on selling. make sure you cover all the other specialty parts you have to pay R&D for as well. we already know the 90 market is a much smaller segment than the 50 market. i trust Ralf has done the math and there's just no way to recover the investment. As Mr. Dahl already alluded to, Ralf would have gone with plastic injection molded frames if he had his choice. It's pretty clear he doesn't have a choice....unless someone can convince him to take a beating for the good of the our hobby
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12-18-2010, 03:48 PM | #243 (permalink) |
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Like cuda says, and know that making a completely new heli design and going out of the box sort of speak is "VERY" expensive!
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12-18-2010, 04:34 PM | #244 (permalink) | |
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i'm in the full scale business and the molded cf process is very expensive and labor intensive. |
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12-18-2010, 06:36 PM | #245 (permalink) | |
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I'm still not sure that I understand why moulded c/f blades, glider fuselages and wings are economically feasible for model aircraft, as are fiberglass moulded helicopter canopies, but carbon moulded frames are not. Anyway, it's getting a bit off-topic, unless of course Mikado has found a way to go this route. |
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12-19-2010, 02:51 AM | #246 (permalink) | |
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(And hopefully a choice between torqtube or beltdrive , or some kind of easy way to extend the tail for use of 800mm blade). Kind regards, Aldert |
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12-21-2010, 10:51 AM | #247 (permalink) |
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Guys, if the logo 700 is setup to swing 800mm blades...will that stil be a 3D ship, or more of a AP/sportflying ship?
I was under the impression that the 700s were kinda as big as you could go for a truly ballistic 3d ship |
12-21-2010, 12:02 PM | #248 (permalink) |
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Its being designed to run up to 800mm. Which means you capture more interest both in 3D with ie: 690 and 710 mm mains and you can also run 770-800mm mains for sport flight or yes AP work it will be a treat.
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12-21-2010, 12:04 PM | #249 (permalink) |
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Btw for those that will run 690-710 having the tr out further ie: longer boom to accomadate up to 800mm mains will improve tail control in fact this is a good thing!
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12-21-2010, 01:04 PM | #250 (permalink) |
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Question asked about the Logo 700: "...will that still be a 3D ship."
Having seen the designs and in some cases the actual prototype parts, there will be nothing about the heli mechanics that will limit its ability to fly hardcore 3D. The only limitations I think will be with the battery/ESC/and motor's ability to supply the power, and thus how short your flights are. As an example, Tim Jones of Castle flies his "beast" (a highly modified T-Rex 700), with a CC monster motor of some kind and 160 amp ESC, @ 2200 head speed, and gets 3 minute flights on 12S 5000mah packs. See the vid below, which doesn't really do the power of the heli justice. It is scary powerful in real life!! Kyle and I literally stand back and away when he flies it.... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-IIxxGoYew&feature=player_embedded[/ame] A stock T-Rex 700's gear train lasts about 10 seconds in Tim's model. Tim's been developing this model for over a year, and I've personally witnessed him strip-out at least a 1/2 dozen main gears, and some tails as well. After many trials, he finally has things worked out where the model's power train is more reliable, but only with newly developed and custom parts. When the Logo 700 arrives, (from what I've seen), you won't have to modify it and develop new parts, for it to handle "beast" type power systems. Mikado will have already done that for you. The even better news is, for those of us who want to run more "sane" power set-ups, the Logo 700 will handle them with ease (-: (-: dave |
12-21-2010, 02:33 PM | #251 (permalink) | |
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12-21-2010, 03:07 PM | #252 (permalink) |
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Gear train on 700 Logo is going to far surpass every other 90 on market.
Tims beast will not hold a candle to what Logo 700 is gonna take.
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12-21-2010, 03:24 PM | #253 (permalink) |
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Is it going to be shaft driven like our automobiles?
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12-21-2010, 03:46 PM | #254 (permalink) |
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I think he runs about 2400-2500RPM, a bit silly really
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12-21-2010, 05:35 PM | #255 (permalink) |
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All I know is that one of my 700 Logos is going to make Tims "BEAST" look like a puppy dog! It has to be done, with a true robust killer machine, the face and ideas of what a beast really is, is simply going to be re done to new levels! Can't friken wait!!!
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12-21-2010, 05:35 PM | #256 (permalink) |
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Tourque Tube yes And meaty power train as it has been said.
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12-21-2010, 06:17 PM | #257 (permalink) |
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Well they better give us a motor to suit, not really anything available for this level the LE motors are just that limited runs!!!
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12-21-2010, 06:57 PM | #258 (permalink) | |
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If you can stand by my side while I fly it for the entire flight, and still come away saying that, I couldn't begin to imagine what you've got in store for us with your logo 700. Get that thing built, and bring on the vids! |
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12-21-2010, 09:13 PM | #259 (permalink) | |
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12-21-2010, 09:13 PM | #260 (permalink) |
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Screw all that sillyness, I'll just be happy to have a 690mm bladed machine that can run in the 6000 to 8000 watt range at 2200 rpm and not puke it's main gears out every flight.
Hey Tim, did you do any frame stiffening to your 700 ? I'm fairly convinced that the 700e's propensity to eat main gears stems from frame flex, not so much a weakness in the gear... Mine flexed like a wet noodle before adding a third mainshaft bearing block, but I think more bracing may be necessary... |
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